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Offline MathFox

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The The Dutch Safety Board ( http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/index.php ) published its preliminary report http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/docs/rapporten/Prelimenary_EN_def.pdf on the crash of Turkish Airlines flight 1951 today.



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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 04:16:07 PM »
Thanks for finding that! Good info!

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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 07:19:30 PM »
Well, it was on the local news and I knew where to look :-)

I don't dare to draw conclusions yet, looks like a case of Swiss cheese where several factors combine.

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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 08:05:53 PM »
I agree 100%!  :-D

However...we did discuss the radio altimeter issue at length in the original thread...that did seem to be front and center in the report... :|

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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 08:45:31 PM »
The radio altimeter is a known hole in one of the slices  :-D but I have more:
  • The short line up
  • The weather (limited visibility)
are confirmed; Yet unconfirmed but what could have been issues:
  • Autothrottle operation/malfunction
  • Pilot training issues
  • Lack of experience of the PF
The big question remains: why did the pilots recognize the urgency of the situation too late?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2009, 08:07:16 AM by MathFox »

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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 08:48:08 PM »
Absolutly. The Captian was is the Turkish Air Force if I'm not mistaken...plus, not to mention, the third crew member in the cockpit. Someone should have noticed what was going on with the attitude of the airplane.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 10:08:32 PM by joeyb747 »

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Re: Preliminary report on Turkish airline crash near Amsterdam airport
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 09:42:18 PM »
The big question remains: why did the pilots recognize the urgency of the situation too late?

That's my biggest question. I have only a basic grasp of everything that was in play here, so I can't speak of the technicalities and procedures. But I think that even though the FO was in training, he was in training on a 737 so it was not like this was his first time flying anything or had too little experience flying at all. Plus, with all the combined experience that was there in the flight deck, how did the situation degrade so much?

The tapes will be interesting (although I seriously cringe listening to the ones when I know it's the pilot's last flight ever). But at least maybe the investigation of this leads to prevention.

Thanks for the info.