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From the updated AvHerald article, pretty incredible how the crew handled cleaning the windshield...

"On Jan 15th 2020 The Aviation Herald received information based on a screenshot reportedly showing the report of the captain of the flight, that the aircraft was on approach to Dire Dawa's runway 15 when the aircraft entered a swarm of locust, it was like rain. The windscreen wipers were not able to clear the windshield anymore. The crew went around, climbed to 8500 feet, depressurized the aircraft, opened the cockpit side window and cleaned the windscreen by hand. The same happened on second approach to Dire Dawa. The crew again climbed to 8500 feet, cleaned the windscreen by hand again and diverted to Addis Ababa."

Aviation Audio Clips / khpn feed is down
« Last post by rjs176cp on Today at 12:12:31 AM »
I was unable to post in the outage section so I posted here.
Listener Forum / Re: Thanks to the provider of LFPG!
« Last post by Biloxy on January 16, 2020, 04:58:04 PM »
I'm waiting to receive a new antenna witch is dipole this time. My reception is to weak now and I really want to enhance it. A week to wait...

I'm leaving at 10 km from CDG so it's not normal to have such a poor signal.
Listener Forum / Re: ATC online game
« Last post by ec932 on January 16, 2020, 03:38:29 PM »
This isn't an online game, but have you looked @ ATCPRO by flag Mountain software? I've had it now for a month and love it. Out of all the ATC sim that I've tried, ATCPRO is the most realistic. Check them out @ . Search for ATCPRO on youtube where there are some old live streaming game play.
Listener Forum / Help with Basics of Finding ATC feeds?
« Last post by jackson_h_1994 on January 16, 2020, 12:33:42 PM »
Hi --

Apologies for such a basic question, but I'm wondering if anyone has a beginner's guide to finding and listening to ATC feeds. I work as a researcher and oftentimes I'm asked to find ATC audio for flights where something dramatic has happened -- Delta 89 dumping fuel over LA, for example, or planes making emergency landings for other reasons.

There are so many LAX feeds I don't know where to start, I don't quite understand how or when a plane would change frequencies, and so on.

Wondering if anyone has ever come up with a basic "this is how this works" kind of guide, or a guide for finding specific audio you're looking for. I would love to see it, if so.

Would appreciate any and all help anyone might be willing to provide!

Thanks very much,
Aviation Accidents/Incidents / Deadly plane crash in Utah neighborhood caught on video
« Last post by kb4tez on January 16, 2020, 11:05:38 AM »

SALT LAKE CITY — A small plane crashed Wednesday in a Utah neighborhood, killing the pilot as the aircraft narrowly avoided hitting any townhomes, authorities said.

The 64-year-old pilot who died in the crash was identified as David Goode, according to the Roy City Police Department. The twin-engine Cessna crashed in Roy, police Sgt. Matthew Gwynn said. Debris from the plane crashed through the roof of a home that didn't have anybody inside at the time, he said according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

The pilot had taken off around 3 p.m. from an airport in Bountiful for what was supposed to be a short flight to an airport in Ogden, but he crashed about half a mile from the runway, Gwynn said.Adam Hensley told KSL-TV that he was driving on Interstate 15 when he saw the plane flying about 200 to 300 feet off the ground.

“I could tell it was really struggling,” he said. “I could tell that the pilot was really trying to straighten out and balance the plane.”

Hensley said he saw the plane pitch sharply left before nose-diving near the interstate and exploding. He did not see any smoke while the plane was in the air, and investigators have not said what caused the crash.

The crash occurred in Roy, about 30 miles north of Salt Lake City near a small airport in Ogden. The National Transportation Safety Board said on Twitter that it was investigating the crash.

A Delta Air Lines pilot was roughly five minutes into a flight from Los Angeles International Airport en route to Shanghai on Tuesday when he radioed to the airport control tower that he was having problems with the right engine on the jetliner.

"We have an emergency at this time," the pilot says calmly, according to a recording obtained at, a website that streams and archives air traffic control audio. "We need to return to LAX for [an] engine compressor stall."

Less than a minute later, a controller asks whether the pilot needs to return to the airport immediately or needs to "hold to burn fuel." The pilot responds that they've "got it back under control," will slow down, stay out of terrain and turn back to the airport. The controller asks about fuel again."OK, so you don't need to hold to dump fuel or anything like that?" he asks the pilot. The pilot responds: "Negative."

Yet less than 20 minutes later the jet, flying at about 2,300 feet, dumped fuel over Park Avenue Elementary in Cudahy, dousing schoolchildren on the playground and sparking outrage in a community that's been at the center of environmental injustices for decades in Los Angeles County. Dozens of people — many of them children — were treated by paramedics, but no one was seriously injured.

Communications between air traffic controllers and the pilot raise questions about why the plane's main operator chose to dump fuel over the residential area minutes before descending into LAX.

During emergency situations, air crews will typically notify air traffic control and indicate they need to dump fuel. The controllers will then direct a plane to the appropriate fuel-dumping area. This did not happen during Tuesday's brief flight, according to officials with the Federal Aviation Administration, which is investigating the incident.

When pilots dump fuel, they typically try to do so above 10,000 feet and over a body of water, such as an ocean, but ideally it should be done at higher elevations so the fuel will turn into mist and dissipate, away from populated areas.

"In this emergency situation, the fuel-dumping procedure did not occur at an optimal altitude that would have allowed the fuel to atomize properly," the FAA said in a statement.

Delta spokesperson Adrian Gee said Tuesday the pilot was forced to dump fuel over an urban area to reduce the plane's weight before the return landing. It was not immediately clear how much fuel was dropped or what happened between the pilot's last public communications with air traffic control and the time he landed at the airport at 11:56 a.m.

Delta did not respond Wednesday to a request from The Times for further information.

Ross Aimer, CEO of Aero Consulting Experts, said fuel dumping is very rare and is used only in case of emergencies or if pilots have to reach a safe landing weight.

"Most pilots choose not to dump fuel unless the emergency really dictates it," Aimer said.

In Tuesday's incident, the plane was experiencing a compressor stall, according to transmissions between the pilot and the airport tower as well as a radio call the Los Angeles Fire Department received at 11:47 a.m.

"We have a Boeing triple 7, call sign Delta 89, reporting a compressor stall, 181 souls on board, 12 hours of fuel, ETA less than five minutes," an LAFD firefighter said.

When the compressor of a plane's engine stalls, it can cause a loss of airflow through an engine, which can cause the engine to fail.

However, compressor stalls are relatively common and aren't typically considered a dire emergency that would necessitate an immediate landing, according to safety expert and aviation consultant Richard Ditchey.

"Dumping is literally a toggle-switch. How much fuel you dump is a decision that the captain or ground control would make," he said.

Whether the instruction to release the fuel came from ground control at Delta operations, the ultimate decision-maker would be the pilot, who would have been aware he was flying over a residential area rather than the ocean or other unpopulated area, Ditchey said.

At one point in the audio communications, the pilot tells ground control that 181 people, including crew members, are aboard the plane. According to Seat Guru, a site that tracks the layout of planes, that number would have meant the flight was about two-thirds full.

If that was the case, Ditchey said, it would suggest that a decrease in weight would not have been a major issue because the plane was not at maximum capacity.

The fuel dump has raised concerns about environmental safety in the flight path over Cudahy and other cities.

"Sadly, our entire community has been adversely impacted by this incident, including dozens of children. I am calling for a full federal investigation into the matter, and expect full accountability from responsible parties," Cudahy City Council Member Jack Guerrero said.

A United Airlines flight from Newark Liberty International Airport to Los Angeles was forced to return to the New Jersey airport and make an emergency landing Wednesday night after an engine problem, according to a report."United 1871 from Newark, New Jersey to Los Angeles returned to Newark due to a mechanical issue. The flight landed safely and passengers deplaned normally," United spokeswoman Kimberly Gibbs told

The airline would not specify the problem but a passenger claimed on social media that the engine had sparked and "failed."We are working on changing aircraft to get our customers to their destination as soon as possible," she added.

Shortly after takeoff, the right wing of the plane sparked and an engine failed, according to a tweet from passenger Nicole Adamo."Most terrifying experience of my life. ... Flight takes off, Right wing of the plane (where I’m sitting in the aisle seat) sparking & now one engine failed," she tweeted. "They're making announcements but I can't hear anything because people are screaming."

Upon landing, fire trucks were dispatched to the plane, reported.

Passengers were originally scheduled to leave Newark at 7 p.m., but had to wait until midnight for a new flight, the report said.
Listener Forum / Re: Thanks to the provider of LFPG!
« Last post by 777lrf on January 16, 2020, 05:32:05 AM »
Yes, installation fully enhanced:

Switched to UBC 9000xlt and reoriented aerial.

Tower is much more audible but not for broadcasting cause planes on the ground are not to clear. Departure is still the best I think.

Hearing only tower controller is no problem!
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