Sundowner, my reason to enter this topic was because there are some parts of ISKYFLY's arguments that I side with, and there are some that I don't. I just wanted to provide some backing to some parts of his arguments with my background. Let me explain:
Within the last year, at my last facility we had to watch a training video, (the FAA actually has a production crew that makes a number of videos in order to make their point!) about the dangers of non-standard phraseology, like using 'descend to 220'. There were others, but that one comes to mind. Most of them had all of us cringing because we saw what was about to happen as the pilot misunderstood what the controller said, and either climbed or descended into traffic, or the call was ambiguous as to whether he meant speed, altitude, miles or heading. As a comical note, when I worked in a center, we had one controller who asked if he could tell the pilot to 'descend, fly and indicate 250'! IMHO, the FAA doesn't make videos, send out refreshers, come up with Computer Based Instruction programs for us about phraseology, unless it is very important.
For the most part, shortcuts in phraseology like 1.8 for 9 doesn't get people killed, but on our end, when there is a mishap, even if the planes never touch, ALL of our transmissions will be scrutinized, written out, and not only shown to us, but if we're lucky, become next months facility training lesson on what not to do. That can get humbling! (As of yet, I have not had that experience...) Even when we have a deal; a separation error, we will get to read what we said. Next to that will be the section in the .65 (7110.65) that refers to what we should have said. I have trained supes who sucked at phraseology, yet they will be giving me MY tape talk and bringing to my attention how I didn't say 'November or aircraft type after the third transmission to the same aircraft'! Even during an interview I had for a supes job, one of the questions was 'you are in the tracon and you hear a controller using poor phraseology, what would you do?'
So, does poor phraseology make for a poor pilot? Not always. Does a poor pilot have poor phraseology? Not always. Are there areas where we can all improve? Absolutely. Does the busyness of the sector mandate the use of non-standard phraseology? Usually the opposite
is true! The busier I am, the more transmissions I will be making, the less I want to repeat myself. Therefore, I will try to be as exact, concise and spot-on with my phraseology as I can be. I would appreciate it if the pilots did the same. I can't tell you how many times, in the middle of a massive workload, I would get one pilot that wanted me to know what color airplane he was flying and what he had for breakfast. (yes, some times I need to know the color!).
I would also have to say that, for most U.S. controllers, if you ask us about phraseology, it's importance, and whether or not we need to be exact, then we would have to ask what was wrong with 'Taxi Into Position and Hold'?!
We now have to say Line up and Wait, yet when we pass traffic to the next inbound, we say that there is a plane HOLDING POSITION on the runway...
I don't know if I've cleared anything up, or made it muddier. Is our pay based on whether or not we use correct phraseology
? It used to be when we got rated. Not so much anymore. We still get a performance rating twice a year, and we can get told to read up on the phraseology and use the right stuff. We also get random tapes pulled to see if our facility, as a whole, is using the correct phraseology. Can we receive remedial training for poor phraseology?
Yes, and many have.Are controllers allowed to use shortcuts when their traffic load is high as compared to when it isn't?
There is NO difference in the rules concerning when to use proper phraseology, at all, especially not based on workload. THERE IS, however the ability to use non-standard phraseology should the situation require it.Do we know what you mean when you say 1.8 for 3?
Yes.Do you know what we mean when we say 'traffic out of 3.3 for 8'?
Probably, but we still shouldn't be saying it!Do controllers like donuts?
Probably as much as police officers.