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captray:
On my last 2 trips into the UK I have been asked by the approach controller what type of service would I like? Personally, I would want the best service, but I think the answer they are looking for is different.

The choices, I believe, are deconfliction and standard. Deconfliction being what we get in the States and Standard is traffic advisories only where I am required to avoid the traffic.

The airports that I went to are; Humberside (EGNJ) and Coventry (EGBE). I was not asked the question going into Heathrow, so I believe it has to do with a smaller approach facility.

Any ideas?

Casper87:
Ahh yes "The Question."

The type of service is not to do with the size of the approach facility. I dont mean to sound patronising but in a nutshell, here it goes.

Obviously there is Controlled airspace and Uncontrolled airspace. If you are flying inside controlled airspace you will automatically be under an Air Traffic Control serivce of some kind, which will not be stated, unless you join controlled airspace from outside CAS.
However when you leave controlled airspace you will then be subject to ATSOCAS. (Air Traffic Serivces OUTSIDE Controlled Airspace.)
In your case, for example, Coventry is outside controlled airspace so you will be asked whcih serivce you require.
Options being:

Deconfliction Service: Surveillence service. You will be separated from all aircraft observed and be passed avoiding action if needed.

Traffic Service: Surveillence service: You will not be separated from other aircraft, you will only be passed traffic information and its up to you as the PIC to separate yourself.

Basic Service: Is very very basic. No separation just information at the best of times.

Procedural Service: Non-radar service where you will be separated from participating aircraft only.

Hope this helps.

Casper

Casper87:
Just to clarify;

The best you can get when flying outside controlled airspace is a "Deconfliction Service", providing the ATS unit has radar. If its a non-radar unit the "Procedural Service."

C

captray:
Thanks Casper, that explains alot.
Now that I have your attention how about when I take off IFR and the controller advises me to remain clear of controled airspace? I thought IFR was supposed to make that transparent? It does in the States, I am just trying to follow the rules.
Sometimes it is more difficult than it needs to be.

Casper87:
hey hey.

Whether flying VFR or IFR in the UK you must have an explicit clearance to enter controlled airspace otherwise you must remain outside controlled airspace.
The term "Remain outside controlled airspace" is used alot in the UK in an effort to reduce infringements.
If you are refering to a specific situation then I can provide a more in depth answer if you can give a few more details.
Was the airfiled you departed from controlled (ATC) or uncontrolled?
Were you intending to join the airways system?
Did you file a flight plan to join airways?
How far from controlled airspace were you?
Who told you to "remain oustide controlled airspace?" i.e London Control, etc....

Happy landings,

Casper

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