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Offline RonR

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Pilot's Discretion
« on: March 01, 2013, 06:23:39 PM »
Now here's something I was never really sure about.  You're flying at, say, FL350 and are given the following clearance:

"Descend pilot's discretion to FL240"

Obviously, the pilot chooses when he wants to start to descend, the question is: is the pilot required to let ATC know when he starts the descent?  Or can he start the descent without saying anything?  I would think that the pilot would have to let ATC know; I'm just wondering if that's right or not.  Thanks!

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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 12:11:17 AM »
Now here's something I was never really sure about.  You're flying at, say, FL350 and are given the following clearance:

"Descend pilot's discretion to FL240"

Obviously, the pilot chooses when he wants to start to descend, the question is: is the pilot required to let ATC know when he starts the descent?  Or can he start the descent without saying anything?  I would think that the pilot would have to let ATC know; I'm just wondering if that's right or not.  Thanks!

Ron

AIM 5-3-3 states that the pilot should, at all times, report "when vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level."

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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 09:29:04 AM »
OK, thanks.
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Offline davolijj

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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 12:49:23 PM »
I'd say I see that section of the AIM followed by pilots about 50% of the time.
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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 09:51:34 PM »
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"a. The following reports should be made to
ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC
request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned
altitude or flight level"

In FAA orders "should" is not the same as "shall". Shall indicates a requirement. Should is not a requirement, however it is highly recommend.

Incidentally the AIM itself isn't an order nor is it regulatory. It's informational, but it is based on regulations. That's a whole other discussion however.

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Offline InterpreDemon

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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 08:40:59 PM »
I guess it is at the pilot's discretion to decide when "should" means "shall"...
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Re: Pilot's Discretion
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 03:27:54 PM »
Just report it. There are a million things that could happen between the time you're issued the PD descent and the time you actually start descending that could create a situation whereby reporting could be the difference between you making it to your destination and not. It's the safest choice and takes all of 2 seconds.
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