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Title: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: CFD208 on March 02, 2009, 01:18:24 AM
I applied for the AAC-AMH-09-PUBNAT7-11589 (Air Traffic Control Specialist Trainee) posting on the FAA site but I haven't heard anything and there hasn't been a referral list put out.  Is there a hiring freeze and does anyone have some inside info?

Steve
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: sykocus on March 02, 2009, 02:59:09 AM
I don't think there is any kind of freeze. I don't have an inside information but there are currently several job announcement open that are not for current employees which would seem to mean there is not a freeze. I don't see that announcement on the faa website. How long ago did you apply?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: pilot221 on March 02, 2009, 03:24:32 AM
If you already applied I wouldn't worry about anything. They have so many applicants in the system right now. Majority of the facilities need people, I know we do. Just wait it out.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: bullman55122 on March 02, 2009, 05:06:03 AM
This is my inside info.  Some locations are on a hold right now in order to get people to the locations need most.  The best thing I can tell you is be ready for things to move very slow.  I applied 06-16-07  :-o (things are moving a little faster now) received my tentative offer July 08.  I have all required clearances and such but, still waiting for OKC date.  As with any thing the government handles things move at a slow pace.  Good Luck
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 02, 2009, 07:30:28 AM
There is no hiring freeze in place, the FAA is needing people.  The public applications get thousands upon thousands of applicants, and they actually go through them one at a time (a large team of people does, anyway).  As long as you meet the qualifications listed on the application, they'll put you on a referral list and at some point after that, they may contact you to schedule an interview.  Applying off the street does take quite some time so just be patient.  :-)
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: byoungblood on March 02, 2009, 07:31:32 AM
More accurately, they are slowing down the assignments to the Academy right now. Part of it is because there are still a huge backlog of people from the first two public announcements last year still waiting for class dates and some of the facilities themselves are having to slow down the training pace because of new programs like ERAM being implemented at ARTCCs.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: cessna157 on March 02, 2009, 09:09:03 AM
I applied for the AAC-AMH-09-PUBNAT7-11589 (Air Traffic Control Specialist Trainee) posting on the FAA site but I haven't heard anything and there hasn't been a referral list put out.  Is there a hiring freeze and does anyone have some inside info?

Steve

When did Pubnat7 close?  It is usually 6 months or more before you are contacted to take the AT-SAT
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on March 02, 2009, 09:14:01 PM
would anyone know when or have a good idea when the next announcement should/will be posted??? 

i graduated from Beaver in Dec. '08 and applied for the CTO bid on the website.  I fax'd in all my paperwork and my CTO certificate too.  The sad thing is when i checked back with them, they said that I had not fax'd my CTO to 'em, even though i had papers sayin i did, so basically, they lost my paperwork.   

 However, back to my original question, would anyone have any hint or guess to the next post?   This suspense is killin me!  lol
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: cessna157 on March 02, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
would anyone know when or have a good idea when the next announcement should/will be posted??? 

i graduated from Beaver in Dec. '08 and applied for the CTO bid on the website.  I fax'd in all my paperwork and my CTO certificate too.  The sad thing is when i checked back with them, they said that I had not fax'd my CTO to 'em, even though i had papers sayin i did, so basically, they lost my paperwork.   

 However, back to my original question, would anyone have any hint or guess to the next post?   This suspense is killin me!  lol

Are you in a Pubnat?  Or are you asking when the next openings will be posted?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: cessna157 on March 02, 2009, 10:37:44 PM
There is a CTO listing right now on the ASAP website

Also there is a CTI listing.  And a reinstatement.  And one of the military openings, not sure which one.  Just no Pubnats listed yet.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 03, 2009, 07:22:11 AM
All current ATC job openings end on 9/30/09.  That is the FAA's last day of their fiscal year (which runs October - September).  With that said, this means that applications will likely not be reviewed until at least October with a PEPC scheduled for some time either late this year or early 2010. 

Also, since you graduated a CTI program, apply for the CTI application.  You should receive an e-mail with a verification code you need to enter.  Applying through the CTI application is nice and it takes less time to get your PEPC scheduled, too.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: w0x0f on March 03, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
Expect them to leave you hanging for several months with no notification and then tell you to show up in OK City in 3 days. 
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on March 04, 2009, 10:10:37 PM
Ya i just applied for both the CTI and CTO applications on ASAP, as well as fax'd my CTO to OK City today.  Now im gonna be a real pain in the a** in making them confirm to me that they have received my faxes. 

Thanks to you all who helped in responding to my question!!!

-NAplaya
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 05, 2009, 07:41:21 AM
...making them confirm to me that they have received my faxes. 

I did the same thing except I waited until I got an e-mail before I faxed anything that way I could e-mail a person directly.

Here is an e-mail address you can try to conform whether or not your faxes were received:

9-AMC-AMH-CTI@faa.gov
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: wannabeatc on March 06, 2009, 05:04:36 PM
looks like they just posted an announcement for ATC Trainee!
http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=79660838&AVSDM=2009-03-02+01%3A17%3A01&Logo=0&q=Air+Traffic+Control+Specialist+Trainee&sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&customapplicant=15513,15514,15515,15669,15523,15512,15516,45575 (http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=79660838&AVSDM=2009-03-02+01%3A17%3A01&Logo=0&q=Air+Traffic+Control+Specialist+Trainee&sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&customapplicant=15513,15514,15515,15669,15523,15512,15516,45575)

According to this posting only ATCI graduates are allowed to apply? I thought people off the street can apply for this position?

According to the FAA website for no prior ATC experience..
"Search for a vacancy announcement for "Air Traffic Control Specialist Trainee" or "Air Traffic Control Specialist." (look for the acronyms "RMC", "VRA", or "REINST.") You can apply for either of these positions, but the pay and responsibilities of each are different. Please read the full vacancy announcements for more information."

But on the USAJOBS announcement.. it states
"WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:    AT-CTI Graduates"

so does this mean im not allowed to apply for the position since im basically off the street?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: cessna157 on March 07, 2009, 12:04:27 PM
CTI is for one of those that went to one of the colleges that offers a degree in ATC.

CTO is for those who already have the Tower Operator license.  I guess the FAA is trying to lure guys from Midwest ATCS over?

REINST is for former controllers to be reinstated (prior to age 31, so this one is a bit odd)

RMC is for retired military air traffic controllers

VRA is for veterans who were air traffic controllers, but are no longer able to do so for the military

PUBNAT is for the general public to apply  (OTS=off the street)


That's the way that I understand the hiring categories anyway
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: sykocus on March 07, 2009, 04:35:54 PM


VRA is for veterans who were air traffic controllers, but are no longer able to do so for the military



VRA is for veterans, but it doesn't necessary mean you are no longer able to be in the military.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 07, 2009, 10:15:22 PM
But on the USAJOBS announcement.. it states
"WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:    AT-CTI Graduates"
so does this mean im not allowed to apply for the position since im basically off the street?

To answer your question, yes you would not be able to apply.  You would not be able to for this application anyhow, as you have to enter in a code to even start the application process.  They only send qualified CTI graduates the code right when the application is released.

There's no public or off the street application available at this time and there probably won't be until later this year.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: evilcuban on March 12, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
Wow, I might as well grab a sandwich and a beer and set up my picnic, looks like I'll be waiting for a while... 

I also applied to PUBNAT7; for those who may be interested I talked to a lady at the FAA in the second to last week of February just to try to get an update and she said I could probably expect to hear in the next 2-4 weeks if I got put on the referral list.  That would technically expire on Saturday, but I decided to give them to the end of March since it IS the government.  Based on this I guess I'll just continue to check my e-mail, move on with my life and when it comes it comes. 

I feel bad for some of you who said you've been waiting something like a year.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 13, 2009, 07:35:20 AM
I would say the "estimate" you got is rather rough; it's probably going to be longer.  Also remember, once they create a referral list for your PUBNAT7 you may or may not be put on it (you can always check the status in ASAP).  If you are put on it, you may be contacted within 2-4 weeks after that, depending on where you want to go and the need in that area, etc.  Before they create the referral list, they'll have you select up to 5 states you would like to go to (unless they changed this and you now do it when you apply).

After they create the referral list, they'll e-mail you if they like your application and you'll begin setting up an appointment for the PEPC and filling out a TON of paperwork.  It takes some time, so keep your spirits up, hope isn't lost yet.

Best of luck too!  :-)
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: Evilkid500 on March 28, 2009, 03:50:58 PM
Hello all, I just came across this conversation on google and figured I'd chime in. I applied for the PUBNAT7 position back in December and on 3/19/09 my ASAP account had been updated saying that I was on the list to take the ATSAT and that I would be contacted in a few weeks. On the application I said I wanted to work in the Boston area including the Nashua and Merrimack NH  centers, any one have any ideas if any facilities in this area are / will be looking for people?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: cessna157 on March 28, 2009, 03:54:45 PM
Just to add to the thread...

Us PUBNAT5 guys just got our GeoPref's email yesterday.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: djmodifyd on March 28, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
ahhhhh
im glad im already hired :D
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 28, 2009, 08:14:41 PM
I'm just waiting on my background check to get completed and I'm on my way to CLE... after OKC.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: evilcuban on March 29, 2009, 10:20:24 AM
Just as an update for PUBNAT7 I was notified on Mar 19 that I've been selected to take the AT-SAT. 

Mark- are you from CLE/local area or are you heading to that area just on assignment?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on March 29, 2009, 05:26:47 PM
I'm originally from Ohio myself... I grew up not too far from KCAK (Akron/Canton), but I was offered CLE and took it.

So I guess that makes it a bit of both.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: THRILLHO on June 17, 2010, 12:18:35 AM
Sorry for the bump + slightly off topic post, but do any of you know if the long period before responding to an application holds true for other professions in the FAA? I applied for an electrician job last week and this is the only discussion I could find as to how long it takes for them to respond. Thanks.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on June 17, 2010, 07:12:51 PM
Yes I've heard that other jobs within the FAA take some time.  The FAA likes everything to move expeditiously except paperwork.  Not sure on the waiting period but you will eventually hear a response.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on June 19, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
atcman,

Ya i grew up in Ohio too.  When i applied I wanted CMH really bad, since im from the area, but got selected for YNG.  LOL!
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on June 20, 2010, 09:40:16 AM
Oh so I might see you soon in CLE then if this consolidation goes through.  You might want to live half way between YNG and CLE.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on June 20, 2010, 12:56:11 PM
Haha ya you actually might see me up there!   I dont know what to make of this consolidation thing.  It would be kinda cool to go to both cities, but that commute between both could get to be tiring.

But it comes with the job, and if I have to, I will with a smile!  Haha!

When did you get selected for CLE?
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on June 22, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
I got selected for CLE in January 2009 and I started in March, 2010.  It all depends on how they do the consolidation.  I do know CLE is getting a big fancy new tower and TRACON within the next 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on June 23, 2010, 01:08:03 AM
i got selected in May 2009, went to a PEPC in late June 2009,  then it took them 6 months for me to get all my clearances, then once I do...well you know the rest!  Haha


Well if they are gettin a new TRACON, then its more than likely that they are centralizing everything, so I will probably end up meeting you sometime up there!  Lol

-NAplaya
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: atcman23 on June 25, 2010, 10:46:47 AM
It's hard to say, it's all rumor right now.  It's in "planning" but it's not for certain as of yet.  As for the new tower/TRACON, yes that is going to happen (planning is wrapping up now and the final design will likely be unveiled soon).  If NATCA has any input, it won't go through.  If they do consolidate everything, then it's likely the tower and TRACON will be split.  Should be interesting to see what happens though.
Title: Re: Is there a hiring freeze?
Post by: NAplaya16-ATC on June 25, 2010, 09:46:05 PM
Yeah, I would hope that YNG tower and TRACON doesn't split!   I love working both, so to split those would be a heart breaker!  Haha

-NAplaya