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Title: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 22, 2013, 03:30:47 PM
Just noticed that ZNY is using 128.675 in one of their western high sectors...anyone happen to know if this is a permanent change or just temporary?  Not sure yet what sector it is...still trying to work that out while listening...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: JetScan1 on August 22, 2013, 09:40:26 PM
Just listening now 21:15 - 21:40 EDT, and 128.675 is being used in place of 134.600, Sector 55 Yardley.

This was noted earlier, when I thought it might be a sub for 125.325.

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/zny-128-675/

Backup/spare for multiple sectors ?

Any additional info. appreciated.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 23, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
Sry Jet, didn't realize this was brought up already in an earlier post.

134.6 is being used right now (08:47 EDT).

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: JetScan1 on August 23, 2013, 09:19:40 AM
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134.6 is being used right now (08:47 EDT).

I noted that this morning as well, and have not heard 128.675 in use.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 25, 2013, 07:03:35 PM
128.675 currently in use again at 19:00 EDT although this time it doesn't appear to be replacing 134.600 as this freq is also in use...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 25, 2013, 07:12:08 PM
128.675 is currently handing off flights to ZBW 124.525, ZBW 135.8, ZDC 121.025.  I'm thinking it's replacing ZNY 118.975

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 25, 2013, 07:32:58 PM
After listening a little more, 128.675 is handling northbound descending flights into JFK and also eastbound European flights climbing out of PHL. The northbound flights are being handed off to 128.675 from ZDC 133.125.  So 118.975 is the frequency that is being replaced...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 25, 2013, 07:55:04 PM
128.675 has been added to my JFK area #1 feed.  And wouldn't you know it, you can hear the ground side as well!
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 26, 2013, 08:48:40 AM
118.975 back in use again this morning...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: ferraraj on August 27, 2013, 09:27:02 PM
Ron...where is your JFK #1 feed tower located? Are they transmitting 128.67 from the island (ISP?)
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 28, 2013, 10:43:19 AM
Hey Jim,
My feed is in North Babylon in Suffolk County. When ZNY uses 128.675 it transmits out of Douglaston in Queens. That's y I can hear it where I am :)

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 31, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
ZNY 128.675 in use again, this time it's replacing ZNY 128.3.  It can be heard on my JFK #1 feed...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on August 31, 2013, 08:35:18 PM
Well, that didn't last long...128.3 is back in service...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on September 13, 2013, 09:54:27 AM
ZNY 128.675 in use again this morning as of around 9:40AM, this time replacing ZNY 125.325.  This frequency can be heard (aircraft and ATC) on my JFK area #1 feed...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: ferraraj on September 19, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
Interesting how ZNY has back-up freqs at Douglaston: 121.12 & 134.37, yet they NOW seem to use 128.67 from there  as a back-up...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on September 20, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Yep, you're right.  And 128.675 is being used again this morning, this time in place of ZNY 127.175...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on September 20, 2013, 12:54:57 PM
I take that back...it's not replacing 127.175...it must be 125.325 again...ooops...  :oops:
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on September 20, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
125.325 back in use but ZNY still simulcasting on 128.675
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on September 25, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
Interesting...ZNY 128.675 was being used this morning in place of 125.325 but now for some reason ZNY is using 127.175 now.  Overheard one flight on 128.675 being asked how ATC sounded and the reply was "8 out of 10".  Since then they moved over to 127.175...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 25, 2013, 04:28:47 PM
Ron - Check your PMs
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 02, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
ZNY 128.675 in use again this morning, this time replacing 127.175.  Very busy frequency at the moment handling DCA and BWI inbounds from the north and BOS departures going south plus other stuff...it's on the JFK CCC2 feed...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 02, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
Sorry, my bad, it's actually ZNY 134.6 that is currently being replaced by 128.675...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 21, 2013, 09:27:38 AM
So today ZNY 128.675 is up again, this time in place of ZNY 128.3...it's on the JFK#1 feed...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 22, 2013, 01:10:38 PM
And so today ZNY 128.675 is replacing 125.325...well, at this moment it is anyway...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: dave on October 23, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
And so today ZNY 128.675 is replacing 125.325...well, at this moment it is anyway...

They were still testing this morning on 125.325.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 23, 2013, 10:52:53 AM
It looks like both East Texas 42 (127.17) and Kennedy 56 (125.32) are operating on 127.17 this morning...maybe because it's not so busy yet...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: JetScan1 on October 23, 2013, 11:30:07 AM
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It looks like both East Texas 42 (127.17) and Kennedy 56 (125.32) are operating on 127.17 this morning...maybe because it's not so busy yet...

These 2 sectors are often combined or split at different times throughout the day depending on traffic, in the past when the sectors merged 127.17 was shutdown and they would use 125.32 as the primary for both. Now they are doing it the opposite. Maybe issues with 125.32 ? What's 128.67 doing today ?
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 23, 2013, 11:35:10 AM
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It looks like both East Texas 42 (127.17) and Kennedy 56 (125.32) are operating on 127.17 this morning...maybe because it's not so busy yet...

These 2 sectors are often combined or split at different times throughout the day depending on traffic, in the past when the sectors merged 127.17 was shutdown and they would use 125.32 as the primary for both. Now they are doing it the opposite.

Maybe issues with 125.32 ? What's 128.67 doing today ?

Yes, I always thought they used 125.32 when combining the two, but not today.  I just heard two flights try to come on to 125.32 but they were told to go back to 127.17

128.675 is quiet at the moment...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 23, 2013, 01:15:39 PM
Well, no sooner did I post that last comment, 128.675 has come alive again.  It's in place of 125.325...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 24, 2013, 09:50:36 AM
Here's some more information regarding 125.325 and why 128.675 has been used in its place quite often lately...it seems that when ZNY uses 125.325 there's a dead spot somewhere within the sector where aircraft have difficulty receiving ATC.  In fact, one flight when asked how well he could hear ATC on 128.675, the answer was "much better".

128.675 was in use almost all day yesterday and overnight.  At around 7AM this morning they went back to 125.325 but because of these dead spots have just gone back to 128.675.

When 125.325 is used, the ground side transmits out of Matawan NJ but when 128.675 is used, the ground side comes out of Douglaston NY.  Not sure how you solve a problem like this other than trying a different frequency in Matawan or operate out of a different location entirely, which is what they're doing now...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: dave on October 24, 2013, 09:53:00 AM
This also makes things difficult on our end trying to cover that sector by itself.  The current receiver site in NJ probably doesn't hear the ground side at Douglaston - but we haven't checked.

Hopefully they will just settle on something soon.  Not too much to do except monitor for now to see what happens.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 24, 2013, 09:55:36 AM
The ground side comes in loud and clear here.  It's on my JFK#1 feed...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: dave on October 24, 2013, 09:56:32 AM
The ground side comes in loud and clear here.  It's on my JFK#1 feed...

True...only issue is hard to follow because of the other freqs

I do hear them testing now.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 24, 2013, 10:03:28 AM
Just caught the tail end of a comment by ATC...they're going to "relocate the transmitter site for this frequency".  Gotta pull the archives to hear the whole thing...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 24, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
A Cactus flight was asked earlier to switch to 125.325...that flight could not hear ATC on that freq at all at whatever position he was at.  When he came back to 128.675, ATC was 5 x 5.  Considering that earlier comment about "relocating the transmitter", I'd say it's looking pretty good for Douglaston  8-)
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: ferraraj on October 24, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
Strange that they have a problem NOW...they've been using 125.325 out of Matawan for many years! Although 127.175 is listed out of Matawan as well, but its def not there. Ron...are you scanning 127.17 as well? Maybe that was relocated to Douglaston? I think its more likely north...perhaps at SAX, though.

Maybe put a dedicated 128.67 feed at your place?...esp if 125.32 relocates.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on October 24, 2013, 09:53:56 PM
Hey Jim,

128.67 has been in use all day again today and is still up now. Yes I'm scanning 127.17 also on my JFK #1 feed but that freq is definitely not coming out of Douglaston. I'm actually a little surprised how good I get the ground side of 128.67 considering it's almost 20 miles away.

And I would definitely add a dedicated feed for that freq if and when it relocates. When I heard that comment earlier today about relocating tbe transmitter site,  I tbought of you because you just set up that dexicated feed for 125.32  :-)
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on November 14, 2013, 09:39:43 AM
Here's an update on 128.675...at this moment it is being used in place 0f 118.975.  For the past several weeks it was being used in place of 125.325 while ZNY worked on a solution to the problem with the 125.325 transmitter site.  I'm not sure if a solution has been found, but right now this is what's happening with 128.675.  And at the moment ZNY56 and ZNY42 are combined on 127.175...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on November 16, 2013, 08:58:19 AM
ZNY56 is back on 125.325 and all the other freqs are where they should be as well.  128.675 is quiet now.  According to some information I received, ZNY was going to try swapping the transmitter sites for 125.325 and 118.975.  There were quite a few problems with 125.325 at the original site so one of the solutions was to try and swap the transmitter sites and that it could be a permanent solution if it worked out well.  Can't say for sure if that's what ZNY has done, but the swap would be my guess.

Ah well, 128.675 was good while it lasted...
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: dave on November 16, 2013, 09:32:32 AM
We should wait a little longer to let this settle out.  I heard handoffs last night to 125.325.  We may be able to get 125.325 coverage from our BLM site.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on November 16, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
I agree...for all I know they're still testing this out and haven't yet made a final decision.
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: ferraraj on November 16, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
Maybe I'll dial-in 118.97 from my house and see if they are trying it from Matawan...

Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on November 18, 2013, 12:13:39 PM
128.675 was alive again for the past 24 hours this time being used for ZNY55 Yardley (134.6).  I heard a comment that there was interference on 134.6, that's why the switch to 128.67.  In the past half hour ZNY has gone back to using 134.6...

Ron
Title: Re: ZNY using 128.675??
Post by: RonR on November 19, 2013, 09:51:47 AM
ZNY must be having issues with 134.6 now...they are back to using 128.675 again; they've been using it since yesterday...it's currently on my JFK 4 feed.