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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 09:06:35 UTC »
I think CNN completely missed the story when they heard about this, or it was an incredibly slow news day.

Spider-webbing windshields on airplanes is a typically common thing, although obviously not desireable.  I'd venture to guess it happens at least once a month in US airspace.  Modern jets usually have at least 3 panes of glass in the flight deck, and when they experience this, usually one of them has been compromised.  But the other 2 are completely unaffected.

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 12:08:59 UTC »
Agreed cessna157. A little over dramatized. But I think the crew did the right thing by diverting. Being multi-layered panels, the vinyl layers have damage operational limits for delamination, stress marks and other deformities. These faults can appear as cracks in the inner or outer glass panel. No cracks are allowed in any pane.

AvHerald with Flightaware track:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=433a1785&opt=0

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 00:26:55 UTC »
Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree with the crew to divert.  Historically with my airline, when out windshields "shatter" (for lack of a better word) we will descend to around 10,000 to reduce the differential pressure, then either divert, or if we're near our destination or maintenance hub, land there.

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 16:41:07 UTC »
Like cessna157 pointed out, a crack windshield is actually pretty common. Here are two more incidents form this weekend:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=433b9dff&opt=0

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=433a3887&opt=0

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 18:17:08 UTC »
As a frequent flyer and management in the hydrogen production industry (which is extremely safety oriented).  I hate to ever hear anyone say an occurence is normal.  As soon as you become acceptive of something being a normal occurence, you move down a slipperly slope.  It was a similar chain of events that lead to a massive explosion at a BP refinery in Texas City and the Bohpal India Union Carbide Incident.  Granted this is in no way similar in risk level, but the example still stands.  Even if there are backup systems (which there are here in the way of additional panes of glass), the backup systems should always be that; backup.

The picture below is from the most recent United occurence over the weekend, which landed in Buffalo.  If this is a relatively normal occurence, I have issues with that.

Credit to WIVB in Buffalo for the picture.

Edited for spelling and narrative.
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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 18:47:32 UTC »
I hate to ever hear anyone say an occurrence is normal.

I think you misunderstood me...

This is never a desirable occurrence, nor would I call it normal...I said it was more common then people realize. Maybe I should have worded it as more of a frequent occurrence then realized...

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 21:53:11 UTC »
Apparently I did misunderstand you.  Its just a mind-set that has been drilled into me over the years.


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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 22:20:59 UTC »
Apparently I did misunderstand you.  Its just a mind-set that has been drilled into me over the years.

No worries mate! This thread reminds me of the story of an Air Transat L-1011 C-FTNA that encountered a hail storm shortly after takeoff from Lyon, France on July 6th 2001 . Both pilot and co-pilot windscreens were shattered. Unbelievably, the crew landed the aircraft safe and sound. The airplane was written off after sitting at Lyon for many years.

See the AvHerald article below...it contains a photo from inside the aircraft...the windscreens are completely useless...

http://avherald.com/h?article=42fca893&opt=0

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2010, 22:26:43 UTC »
And apparently, she is still at Lyon airport! She is now on static display at the airport! So she escapes the cutters torch for now...

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Re: Delta 737 windshield cracks at 34,000 FT
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2010, 23:30:24 UTC »
I hate to ever hear anyone say an occurence is normal.  As soon as you become acceptive of something being a normal occurence, you move down a slipperly slope.  


It's normal in the sense that it this is not an isolated event.  Yes, it is obviously undersirable for the crew (needing to alter procedures) and airline (cost of replacement, aircraft down time, etc).  I wouldn't necessarily say that safety was ever compromised.

With the FAA and Air Carrier certification, if something ever were to become a "normal" (to use your interpretation) occurance that would compromise safety, the FAA would issue an AD, possibly an emergency AD.  There are checks and balances to the system to protect complacency.


On a side note, I just looked at our checklist for this occurance.  It does not even state that the flight must be terminated, as many of the checklists do.  It simply has the crew reduce differential pressure, and descend.  Plus, depending on which pane of glass actually cracked, you might have to limit your speed.  The decision to land would strictly be a crew/dispatcher/maintenance control decision