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Air Traffic Monitoring => Listener Forum => Topic started by: bcrosby on November 03, 2005, 02:50:30 PM
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I heard a pilot identifed himself using phonetic alphabet.. India Papa Oscar. However the controller replied using "IPO".. and from that point on both controller and pilot used "IPO".
What made the controller decide to use IPO rather than India Papa Oscar to identify the aircraft?
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Sometimes it can be cumbersome to always use the phonetic letters especially with a foreign registry call sign. The 7110.65 states in 2-4-20 Aircraft Identification:
b. Foreign registry. State one of the following:
1. Civil. State the aircraft type or the manufacturer's name followed by the letters/numbers of the aircraft registration, or state the letters or digits of the aircraft registration or call sign.
EXAMPLE-
"Stationair F-L-R-B."
"C-F-L-R-B."
NOTE-Letters may be spoken individually or phonetically.
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That's funny...I just heard the opposite on CYYZ Approach:
Pilot: "This is C-FNNT...<deleted transcript>"
ATC: <with a slightly annoyed and deliberate tone> "Charlie-Foxtrot-November-November-Tango...<deleted transcript>"
Pilot: "FNNT...<deleted transcript>"
He didn't seem to get the point.
That was between 17:45 and 18:45 EST 3-Nov-05
EDIT: I may be off about the actual identifier FNNT; going from memory.
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That's funny...I just heard the opposite on CYYZ Approach:
There are a few differences between Canadian and USA ATC procedures. Although I would guess at GA airports it would get confusing with all the Canadian registry call signs....
"Citation foxtrot november november tango, turn right at charlie, taxi via alpha romeo juliet, hold short of two seven left at hotel..."
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I'll hear an aircraft callsign DPI fly around northern Ontario every now and then. Some controllers will use Delta Papa India, and others, to cut to the chase will use D-P-I.
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NavCanada Manual of Operations is quite specific about using phonetics however there are dinosaurs on both sides of the fence who are too lazy to use full phonetics.
The requirement is for A/C Type(Manufacturer)plus last four letters on initial contact and if no confusion exists then the last three in phonetics may be used.
Barney