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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2008, 08:32:15 PM »
I think CHQ has always been on a full flight number callsign.  ASA changed theirs to all 4 digits a few months ago, as well as changed their callsign about 3 years ago.
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2008, 08:36:34 PM »
I think CHQ has always been on a full flight number callsign.  ASA changed theirs to all 4 digits a few months ago, as well as changed their callsign about 3 years ago.

ASA as in Alaska Airlines (ICAO), or ASA as in Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ICAO: ASQ)?

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2008, 09:30:28 PM »
ASA as in Alaska Airlines (ICAO), or ASA as in Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ICAO: ASQ)?

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Eh, touché.  I was talking ASA the airline (EV).  Previously  CAA "Candler" then ACY "Acey" then ASQ "Acey"


I always like the Candler callsigns when I worked ASA flights.  I thought it was an extremely clever callsign.
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2008, 08:10:57 AM »
Just listening to JFK departure 135.900 (8:05 EDT - 17SEP) and a "Cactus" flight advised the controller that they will be switching back to the "US Air" callsign in 2 days. DJ

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2008, 10:42:32 AM »
They will be switching to AWE as an ICAO code, but the callsign will remain Cactus. It would just confuse the hell out of everybody if they changed to AWE, and changed the callsign to US Air! :?

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2008, 10:49:28 AM »
Just listening to JFK departure 135.900 (8:05 EDT - 17SEP) and a "Cactus" flight advised the controller that they will be switching back to the "US Air" callsign in 2 days. DJ

The pilot was misinformed.  Please read the GENOT in response # 20 of this thread.  Their three letter identifier will change to AWE.  Their call sign will be Cactus effective 9/19/08. 

This should help from the controller's perspective.  For the controller it is like looking at the word "red" printed in blue ink and asking what color is the word.  The change to AWE will be consistent with the callsign with which it has been historically attached.

Now it's up to the eastern based pilots to play along.  This has been slightly problematic.  Some will just say the flight number.  This is certainly a safety issue which has to be addressed.  I'm glad that it has been addressed on one end of the problem.

Looks like Adrian8 and I were posting at the same time.

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2008, 01:04:26 PM »
You address an important issue though... several times I have heard a controller mess up and say US Air, and the pilot fails to correct them and simply says the flight number, or US Air.

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2008, 06:27:49 PM »
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The pilot was misinformed.

I misunderstood him. He said, "the identifier was going to change in 2 days", so he meant the 3 letter identifier and not the callsign, my mistake. DJ

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2008, 06:32:29 PM »
Does that mean the callsigns are going to sound and look the same as the American Eagle Flights which are now four-numbered call signs?

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2008, 08:18:25 PM »
Does that mean the callsigns are going to sound and look the same as the American Eagle Flights which are now four-numbered call signs?

Chananya

No.

what this means is that the ICAO code is changing from "USA" to "AWE". Before the merge, AWE used the callsign "Cactus". US Airways is going to be using AWE for their ICAO code, and Cactus for their callsign. Everything else should be the same.

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2008, 06:05:02 AM »
I wonder who did not get the memo about the Sept 19 change:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA799/history/20080919/0906Z/EHAM/KPHL

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2008, 08:04:38 AM »
I wonder who did not get the memo about the Sept 19 change:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA799/history/20080919/0906Z/EHAM/KPHL

Isn't it still the 18th?  Or am I horribly confused
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2008, 08:58:20 AM »
I wonder who did not get the memo about the Sept 19 change:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA799/history/20080919/0906Z/EHAM/KPHL

Isn't it still the 18th?  Or am I horribly confused
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2008, 01:36:44 AM »
They've been using Cactus at Schiphol/Dutch ATC for about a good two weeks already, although the inbound FPL for today is still filed as USA798.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 01:39:56 AM by fopneus »
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2008, 05:44:31 AM »
They've been using Cactus at Schiphol/Dutch ATC for about a good two weeks already, although the inbound FPL for today is still filed as USA798.
They have filed AWE798 for departure today (coming in tomorrow):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE798/history/20080919/2305Z/KPHL/EHAM
and AWE799 for the return trip tomorrow:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE799/history/20080920/0905Z/EHAM/KPHL

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2008, 06:15:51 AM »
They came in as USA798 (plan filed yesterday ... ) and departed AWE799.
I sat on sector west, when handing the aircraft over to London control he answerred "118.480 USair 799" controller ".. cactus.."  crew"yeah... cactus.. bye" :-D
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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2008, 09:34:25 AM »
on the strip yesterday it said USA but once they departed, it was AWE on radar... wierd.

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2008, 11:03:22 AM »
on the strip yesterday it said USA but once they departed, it was AWE on radar... wierd.

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2008, 12:32:28 AM »
Much better on 9/19 with the AWE identifier, at least for controllers.  Heard a few pilots still saying or starting to say "USAir."  It appears that the major hurdle has been passed.  I hope someone at the FAA took notes on this screw up.   

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Re: US Callsign Change
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2008, 12:48:35 AM »
Yeah right!