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Air Traffic Monitoring => Listener Forum => Topic started by: Casper87 on June 22, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
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Do any airports in the US provide a procedural (non-radar) service or has everywhere got radar?
Jus wonderin if anyone knows....like to see how it compares with Procedural approach in the UK.
Safe 8-)
Casp
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Do any airports in the US provide a procedural (non-radar) service or has everywhere got radar?
Jus wonderin if anyone knows....like to see how it compares with Procedural approach in the UK.
Safe 8-)
Casp
Perhaps LHP50, cactushp, and a couple other guys in Arizona could correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe KPRC is non-radar. I know KMHR used to be non-radar, but recently just had theirs installed. So there are still some out there that are non-radar..
BL.
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Do any airports in the US provide a procedural (non-radar) service or has everywhere got radar?
In the US there are many non-towered airports that require no-radar procedures. Lake Placid, NY (KLKP) (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLKP), offers two GPS approaches that must be flown as full procedure approaches and Saranac Lake, NY (KSLK) (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSLK), an airport serviced by an airline, offers an ILS that must be flown as a full procedure ILS.
In terms of towered airports, I recall Latrobe, Pennsylvania (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLBE), not having radar services.
The US Airport/Facilities Directory (http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_afd), which is now online (linked with the name there), has a visual indicator that will tell you whether an airport is within radar coverage or not. Locate an airport in the directory and then look to the left of the APP/DEP CON heading. If there is an R with a circle around it that airport has radar coverage. No circled R, no coverage.
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Massena, NY (MSS) and Glens Falls, NY (GFL) are both non-radar, unless they upgraded since I left.
KQ
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Perhaps LHP50, cactushp, and a couple other guys in Arizona could correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe KPRC is non-radar. I know KMHR used to be non-radar, but recently just had theirs installed. So there are still some out there that are non-radar..
BL.
PRC has radar piped in from ZAB now. They aren't an approach control, however. PRC remains a VFR tower with IFR services being provided by Albuquerque ARTCC.
~Nate
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Do any airports in the US provide a procedural (non-radar) service or has everywhere got radar?
Jus wonderin if anyone knows....like to see how it compares with Procedural approach in the UK.
Safe 8-)
Casp
Casp,
This is a very ambiguous question, unfortunately. Many thousands of airports in the US require the use of non-radar procedures to ensure separation. ARTCCs and approach controls alike often use manual techniques to ensure separation until an aircraft can climb high enough to be radar identified.
Mountainous terrain in the west prevents radar coverage from being comprehensive, and large portions of Arizona, New Mexico, and the Big Bend area of Texas (far western Texas near the Rio Grande river) are some of the last vestiges of airspace in the US without radar coverage. There are certainly other areas, but I would have to leave others to comment on them. In any case, however, departures are often climbing in to radar coverage and arrivals are descending out of radar coverage. Controllers must apply manual separation to keep those aircraft separated.
~Nate
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I believe that every center in the US has non-radar procedures excpet Cleveland center. I know Minneapolis center has non radar procedures for around Bismarck, ND and around Thief River Falls, MN.
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PRC gets their radar feed from Phoenix TRACON not ZAB.