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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2009, 05:48:40 PM »
Another good CNN quote just on the TV:

"It's not clear whether a bird hit one engine and then the pilot shut down the 2nd engine...."
Ha, right.  Oh crap, we lost an engine.  Let's shut the good one down too!

Unfortunately, that did happen before on an Airbus.  The crew was not trained properly and was getting a vibration on one engine and shut it down but it was the other engine that was going bad. Crashed short of the runway.

There was not enough time to that in this situation nor do I think that happened but it has happened.

I think that was the British Midland 737 at East Midlands airport (UK) ?

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2009, 05:49:34 PM »
does lga handoff to 135.9 for departure or is that just jfk?

No, 135.9 is JFK departure (and I think FRG?). LGA dep is 120.4

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2009, 05:50:07 PM »
does lga handoff to 135.9 for departure or is that just jfk?

No, 120.4.  LGA 2 departure.  Off unway 4 is runway heading to 044 to 600 then heading 055 up to 5,000.  

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2009, 05:55:35 PM »
Another good CNN quote just on the TV:

"It's not clear whether a bird hit one engine and then the pilot shut down the 2nd engine...."
Ha, right.  Oh crap, we lost an engine.  Let's shut the good one down too!

Unfortunately, that did happen before on an Airbus.  The crew was not trained properly and was getting a vibration on one engine and shut it down but it was the other engine that was going bad. Crashed short of the runway.

There was not enough time to that in this situation nor do I think that happened but it has happened.

I think that was the British Midland 737 at East Midlands airport (UK) ?


That might of been it. It was the UK but I thought it was a airbus.  They looked at the VIB meter to determine which one to shut down? I just remember watching that at the US Airways training center during indoc.

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2009, 05:56:02 PM »
Here's a video of basically what happened to this plane.  This is a fairly popular video of a Thompson Fly 757 take one into the engine just during rotation.  Obviously this is just 1 engine, not both.


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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2009, 05:56:18 PM »
More pix - Fotoglif / Reuters

http://www.fotoglif.com/f/35todsv3iezy

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2009, 05:59:00 PM »
Someone reported somewhere that this would have been handled by N90 TRACON - is that correct? If so, would it be on the KEWR coverage on liveatc?

does lga handoff to 135.9 for departure or is that just jfk?

No, 120.4.  LGA 2 departure.  Off unway 4 is runway heading to 044 to 600 then heading 055 up to 5,000.  

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2009, 06:00:20 PM »
what are the procedures for that?do you do a flaps up landing, to prevent "digging in"? and what speed would you land that at? Excellent job by the pilot and crew. Getting that plane out is going to be interesting.

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USAir Crash in NYC today
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2009, 06:06:35 PM »
Has anyone found a clip of the USAir crash in the Hudson River in New York today? All 150 survived!!!  :-D

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2009, 06:06:58 PM »
does lga handoff to 135.9 for departure or is that just jfk?

No, 135.9 is JFK departure (and I think FRG?). LGA dep is 120.4

FRG departure and approach is 125.7 which is also a JFK approach freq

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2009, 06:07:27 PM »
what are the procedures for that?do you do a flaps up landing, to prevent "digging in"? and what speed would you land that at? Excellent job by the pilot and crew. Getting that plane out is going to be interesting.

Ditching or forced landing imminent:

Approach speed: Vref
Descent rate (if thrust available): 200-300 fpm
Landing gear: retracted
Flaps: 45

checklist follows:

1) L PACK and R PACK - OFF
2) EMER DEPRESS - ON
just before impact:
3) EMER DEPRESS - OFF

4) Thrust levers - SHUT OFF
5) APU, LH ENG, and RH ENG FIRE PUSH - SELECT
6) Water/terrain - Contact with minimum forward speed, above stall speed, minimum sink rate, wings level

When airplane is stopped:
7) APU BOTTLE - SELECT
8) Both engine BOTTLES - SELECT
9) Doors and overwing exits - Open
10) Passenger evacuation procedure - Accomplish



The planned ditching checklist is a lot different, with preparations for crash, emergency equipment, etc.  This checklist is the "Oh no, we're going down right now!" checklist
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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2009, 06:09:46 PM »
Wow, thanks for the quick response, I appreciate it.  interesting.

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Re: USAir Crash in NYC today
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2009, 06:16:44 PM »
No clip here, I just thought I would say I am very proud of these pilots. A double bird strike, water landing, no fatalities and no serious injuries. These pilots made an exceptional water landing judging by what I was told by a witness. Congratulations for overcoming damage to both engines. I look forward to hearing what US Airways does to congratulate this flight crew for their exceptional job.

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2009, 06:17:18 PM »
what are the procedures for that?do you do a flaps up landing, to prevent "digging in"? and what speed would you land that at? Excellent job by the pilot and crew. Getting that plane out is going to be interesting.

With flaps up you'd be landing fast.  I assume you'd want it all hanging out so you touch down right above stall speed.

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2009, 06:24:13 PM »
Chesley B. “Sully” Sullenberger, III - Pilot

Highlights of his resume:
* Executive Safety/Reliability Management Professional

   USAIRWAYS           1980 to Present
* Pilot – Captain on Airbus A319/320/321
* President & CEO, Safety Reliability Methods, Inc.  Expert in applying safety and reliability methods in a variety of fields.
* Visiting Scholar, University of California, Berkeley, Center for Catastrophic Risk Management

    U.S. AIR FORCE                1973 to 1980
* F-4 Pilot

    EDUCATION
B.S., Psychology – United States Air Force Academy, Colorado
M.S., Industrial Psychology – Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana
M.A., Public Administration – University of Northern Colorado, Greeley, Colorado

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:tpHOou4HNEgJ:safetyreliability.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Sullenberger_Profile.317143407.doc+chesley+sullenberger&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=ca

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One cool cat.  8-)
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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2009, 06:27:31 PM »
With flaps up you'd be landing fast.  I assume you'd want it all hanging out so you touch down right above stall speed.

I thought so, but since the leading edge of the wing also extends, then I was curious if that could cause unwanted turbulence upon touchdown of the water. But I guess decreasing speed is more important :-)

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2009, 06:28:17 PM »
Haha, its kinda funny that next to Capt. Sullenberger's name is a picture of the revered Dr. Strangelove

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2009, 06:33:08 PM »
Haha, its kinda funny that next to Capt. Sullenberger's name is a picture of the revered Dr. Strangelove

Actually it's Donald Rumsfeld's face on Dr. Strangelove's head.  :wink:

Smokinggun.com recommends 'Sully' for New York Senator.
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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2009, 06:33:34 PM »
5) APU, LH ENG, and RH ENG FIRE PUSH - SELECT

Is that APU stop and extinguish?  This looks to be the first step to PUSH TO DISCH, right?

And with no hydraulic pressure from either engine, taking your flaps from 15 (takeoff) to 45 takes a bit, yes? So that assumes the APU is powered up? And last, that's a lot of flaps to have and keep a nose level landing without stalling.



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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2009, 06:40:41 PM »
Does anyone know how many persons were on-board the flight?

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2009, 06:40:52 PM »
any reports of the birds surviving the impact?  :roll:

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2009, 06:53:07 PM »
Does anyone know how many persons were on-board the flight?

CNN - "The plane had 148 passengers, Brown said, and either five or six crew members on board when it took off at 3:26 p.m. It was airborne for less than three minutes, she said."

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Re: USAir Crash in NYC today
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2009, 06:55:06 PM »
+1

so true! they did a great job, hats off to them both!
lets hope they get a raise or nice holiday!!

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2009, 07:00:50 PM »
US Airways reporting 150pax 5crew - Still no reports of any serious injury's. 
One possibly fractured leg, and apparently there was an infant on board as well (no report of that specific child's status)

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Re: Plane headed to CLT from LGA down in Hudson River
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2009, 07:07:49 PM »
The mayor of NYC said the infant is safe on the Jersey side.

Photos of this can be seen and uploaded at:
http://wnyw.4wmt.com/packages/templates/anonymous/album/browse.aspx?pageid=5c5d440b-5fbc-4395-bd69-4749c289c7a5 (Fox 5 New York)