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Air Traffic Monitoring => Listener Forum => Topic started by: keith on March 02, 2005, 12:39:08 PM
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I used to run the SFO/SQL/PAO/NUQ feed, but moved to New Jersey....at the time I promised to bring up a Newark feed when I arrived here. Well, I tried using my existing antenna, but could only pick up the aircraft in the air, with no responses from the controllers.
Since then, I've bought a larger antenna and will be getting it mounted to the chimney any day now. When that happens, I _hope_ the problem will be solved. At that time, you can expect to get a Newark feed with some combination of approach/twr/gnd, depending on reception and demand.
Failing that I'll probably be able to pick up KTEB (Teterboro).
Keith
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Hi Keith-
Great to hear from you again...got your last email. Teterboro would be great if you can't hear the controllers at Newark. The approach sector that handles final vectors for Teterboro is 127.6, I believe. I'm sure you have all the other frequencies (for Newark). If not, let me know.
Dave
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I'll be the happiest person on this forum if you could get TEB/EWR. :lol: If I can help in anyway please let me know. I am also in the area, and fly frequently out of TEB. Here's a sample of my wishlist:
127.6 NY App/Dep
119.2 NY App/Dep
TEB Freqs
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I have an update on this....the good news is that my bro-in-law custom built a wall mount for my shiny new antenna (and 10ft mast). More good news is that we're going to split it into multiple scanners, so I'll be running more than one feed.
The bad news...I'm going to be on vacation until end of April, so the feeds won't happen until May.
Scanner 1: TEB twr/gnd weekdays, CDW tower w/ends
Scanner 2: Newark approach (assuming I can get both sides of the conversation with the new antenna)
Keith
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For New York App, Do you pick up the RBV Sector 128.55 and the Metro Sector 120.15?
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Ok, the antenna is mounted (on the custom bracket) on a 10ft poll on top of the house. We're going to run the wiring from the attic to the computer room here in a couple of days.
I'll start off with a single feed and then get another machine prepped to run another feed.
It'll probably be Newark approach freqs on the first feed, then TEB and CDW towers on the 2nd feed.
Not sure which app sectors I'll be able to receive yet, we'll just have to find out what the reception is like when we fire up the new antenna.
Keith
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You can try these, these are the EWR sectors within N90:
North Arrival 120.15
METRO 132.8
22 Final 125.62
Departure 119.2
Robbinsville 128.55
MUGZY 127.6
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Ok, the antenna is mounted (on the custom bracket) on a 10ft poll on top of the house. We're going to run the wiring from the attic to the computer room here in a couple of days.
I'll start off with a single feed and then get another machine prepped to run another feed.
It'll probably be Newark approach freqs on the first feed, then TEB and CDW towers on the 2nd feed.
Not sure which app sectors I'll be able to receive yet, we'll just have to find out what the reception is like when we fire up the new antenna.
Keith
Great news, Keith! Thanks for your efforts.
-dave
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hate to be a party pooper but if you are in pompton plains i really dont think even with a roof mounted antenna you will get both side of ewr. I used to live in paterson where i had my antenna mounted in my attic and i still got the controller on my radio but faintly and i at the time was way closer than you in pompton plains. I live here in North Bergen now and the clearest I get w/both aircraft and controller is TEB if I park myself on a hill overlooking NJ to the SW toward EWR I can also pick up faintly EWR controllers on my pro-95 w/the telescopic antenna from RS and not tthe stock rubber duckie
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Woohoo
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NYARTCC fan was right... I can only pick up the pilot sides of comms. In some cases, I can faintly hear the controller, but the it's unreadable.
Right now we have a 10ft mast for the antenna. We're going to replace it with a 15ft mast and see if it helps, but it's not looking good.
Failing that, I'll try my mother-in-law's house, which is atop a pretty good size hill nearby. That will be with the rubber duckie, so we'll see how it works out.
In the mean time, I can pick up Caldwell tower pretty clearly. Is there any interest in that stream?
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That's ashame, CDW wouldn't fall far behind TEB. I'm sure people would appreciate that. But I'm a Tracon guy, so if you could get some sectors in N90, that would be killer.
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I'm in Scotch Plains, NJ and I'm able to hear pilot sides but not much on the controller side. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea where the N90 controller transmissions originate from? When at Newark, I can receive NWK_DEP 119.2 fairly well, but I don't get any of the LIB_DEP sectos. I thought that maybe there was a transmitter (at least for LIB_DEP West 120.85) near the SBJ vor, but still nothing controller side from near there. Anyone have any ideas or info?
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I find similarites between PHL and EWR. One of the them being it takes you to be on the top transmitters are on the field to pick them up! And I can gaurentee that the transmitters are on the field. Rich, As for LIB Dep, thats a good question. Could they be to the north of the city were there are nice big hills. Maybe near POU?. The FAA likes to put transmitters on hills/ mountains :D
Rich, do you know what transmitters look like? That would help, I can post a shot on our forums.
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I would have no idea what to look for when looking for the transmitters. Pics would be great. Just to the north of me are some high hills/mountains near Watchung and Berkley Heights. I know of a few homes that overlook the Newark/New York area and would seem to be the perfect location for a transmitter for this area. I haven't had a chance to try my handheld in that area near the overlook, but I'll try to get a chance this weekend and post my results. The only unfornuate thing is that moving there wouldn't be possible. Nearly all of the homes on the overlook, however modest the house itself is, sell for well over $1mil each.
I'll also take a look around the area and see if I can locate any transmitters.
To All -- Any Central NJ pilots that are familiar with the area and have any idea of transmitter locations?
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I can get both sides of N90 on 118.175 and 120.85 with the squelch broken and faintly at that here in NB. 124.75 can get both side at time when I am in the Jersey City area and only pilot side on 126.8 and rarely i do get 120.85 and 118.175 without the squelch broken too. Late night listening seems to have the more clearer reception here. Jersey City area I can recieve faintly 125.325 and 127.175(Transmitter at Matawan NJ) sometimes rarely without squelch i can get 125.325
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I also if not mistaken there is a picture of an ARTCC transmitter on the photo part of this site(of the Dubuque Iowa feed)
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You can try these, these are the EWR sectors within N90:
North Arrival 120.15
METRO 132.8
22 Final 125.62
Departure 119.2
Robbinsville 128.55
MUGZY 127.6
Freq Location
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120.15 Newark (primary and backup transmitter)
132.8 Solberg
125.62 Sparta
119.2 Newark (primary and backup transmitter)
128.55 Newark (primary and backup transmitter)
127.6 Newark (primary and backup transmitter)
120.85 Solberg
These frequencies are all listed as Newark...I believe the transmitters are right next to the NJ Turnpike on the east side of the field...except the Tower, which may transmit from the antenna(s) on the Tower:
118.3, 118.85, 119.2, 120.15, 120.85, 121.125, 121.5, 121.8, 123.85, 124.75, 124.85, 125.50, 125.85, 126.15, 126.275, 126.7, 127.3, 127.6, 127.85, 128.55, 128.8, 132.45, 132.7, 134.05, 134.825, 135.575.
These are listed as Sparta: 128.25, 121.725, 118.375, 122.5, 125.625, 127.975, 133.15
These are listed as Solberg: 120.85, 132.80
These are listed as Teterboro: 119.5, 120.675, 121.50, 121.90, 122.65, 125.1, 128.05, 132.025, 122.0, 122.20
Typically they are on platforms that are not very high (maybe 10-25' high). You don't want the ground transmitters very high for air-to-ground communications in a crowded frequency band like 118-136 MHz. This is mainly to avoid or reduce co-frequency and adjacent frequency interference.
-dave
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I can get both sides of N90 on 118.175 and 120.85 with the squelch broken and faintly at that here in NB. 124.75 can get both side at time when I am in the Jersey City area and only pilot side on 126.8 and rarely i do get 120.85 and 118.175 without the squelch broken too. Late night listening seems to have the more clearer reception here. Jersey City area I can recieve faintly 125.325 and 127.175(Transmitter at Matawan NJ) sometimes rarely without squelch i can get 125.325
118.175 is listed as Jamaica, Queens, NY and Flushing, NY
120.850 and 124.750 are listed as Newark
125.325 and 127.175 are indeed listed as Matawan, NJ
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Here are two shots of the sets of Philly Transmitters, and here is one of those ZAU transmitters.
http://www.nwvirtualair.com/IMG_05851.jpg
http://www.nwvirtualair.com/Philly%20Transmitters.jpg
http://www.liveatc.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=279&highlight=
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Dave,
That's great info regarding the transmitter locations. Mind if I ask what your source is, or are you just privy to the information? Next time I'm near Solberg (I like to go to the Somerset Patriots minor league baseball games in Bridgewater, not far from SBJ), I'll bring my handheld along and see what I get.
I don't have an antenna here at home yet, but I've used a 25ft piece of coax with BNC connects to extend my stock handheld antenna to the roof through my bedroom window. Still not good enough to get the ground side of comms though. Where I live in Scotch Plains is low and we have high hills and mountains all around, so it kinda ruins my reception.
When I get a good antenna to put on the roof, and depending on the ground comms reception, I might consider becoming a feeder.
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Dave,
That's great info regarding the transmitter locations. Mind if I ask what your source is, or are you just privy to the information? Next time I'm near Solberg (I like to go to the Somerset Patriots minor league baseball games in Bridgewater, not far from SBJ), I'll bring my handheld along and see what I get.
Yeah, let us know what you find. Whenever I pass through the Newark area I'm usually listening from a mobile radio in my car and seldom have time to take the side trip to verify these things.
The source is a database I have that I picked up off this web site:
http://avionicsnotes.ent.ohiou.edu/rfi/airspace.htm
It's not very user-friendly...I use `strings` and grep on Linux to find things in it.
-dave
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This is for Richard Price,PHL APPROACH,and HPNPILOT. We should get together one day since we are in and around the same locations and compare stuff one afternoon.
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Since I didn't have much luck picking up gnd and air for the Newark approach freqs, I've resorted to streaming Caldwell tower for now. It's a Class D that gets very busy on w/ends. I've experienced some pretty dodgy controlling there as a pilot, so I'm sure we'll find some beauties in the archives after a while.
Teterboro is next. I have the second scanner ready to go, just need to fire up the 2nd laptop.
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I've experienced some pretty dodgy controlling there as a pilot, so I'm sure we'll find some beauties in the archives after a while.
I can second that statement!!!
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OK - I may be able to help here. I think I've got all I need and I checked the FAQs.
I'm going to be using a handheld hooked up to a Scantenna from Antennacraft (got this out of the FAQs). The handheld isn't anything special but should work - it's an Alinco DJ-X3. I'll be mounting the antenna on the side of the house, fiarly high up.
My location is in Clifton NJ which puts me closer to EWR than anybody else I believe. I'm not that into the radio setup side but I listen as I'm a pilot flying out of CDW. Will I be wasting my time trying to get EWR?
I have the rest of the stuff to enable a feed....
The antenna isn't due to arrive until next week so I have a couple of days to ponder the setup.
John.
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It's always worth a shot. Looks like your just inside the "sweet point" for receiving an airport. Which in my experience while driving and scanning is about 8 miles. Though I think there are various problems picking up EWR transmitters. Bad location is one I guess. PHL is the absolute same way. I would really love a clear EWR feed :)
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I think it's great that you are trying to get a EWR feed up and running, however, it's a going to be tough.
I'm a pilot for CAL and based in EWR. Often on the SHAFF arrival which runs along V213 north of the SAX VOR, we are expected to cross 25nm north of SAX at 7000 feet as we track south-bound towards the SAX VOR. That way we stay below the LGA and EWR departures over the GAYEL intersection.
Often, after being handed off by BOS Center, between that 25nm fix and the SAX VOR, we (at 7000 feet) often have a hard time receiving New York APP on 120.15. The reason for this is that the transmitter/receiver is located near the TRACON facility in Long Island. :shock: A controller told me one time after I mentioned the problem is that the FAA has had plans on moving the site to a better location. This plan has been in the works for years...
Unless there is someone who lives near the transmitters, a NYC APP link is only going to be receiving the pilots TX's.