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Offline SCRAMBLER

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Newark Departures for a Noob!
« on: December 16, 2011, 11:32:34 AM »
Hi All,
I am very interested in understanding how to listed and track a flight departing from Newark to Let's say Miami.
I see how I can get ground, Tower, then Departure then there is NY approach on 124.75 or 120.85 (I thought this was for inbound).  After that is where I really get confused because they seem to get handed off to NY Center.  The frequencies provided I can't seem to find and then lose that aircarft.  If anyone can expalin the routing or how I can determine where to listen to an entire flight or explain where to look would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!!



Offline derekjackson

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 03:54:36 PM »
It's pretty much impossible to track an entire flight from start to finish using this site because a lot (i.e. most) centre frequencies are not streamed here. The best you can do is to listen until the frequency is not covered here, then switch to the destination airport approach frequencies and wait for the arrival. So for Miami, you would listen in on Miami approach when the flight is about half an hour from landing.

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 07:29:56 PM »
 As Derek says pretty much impossible at present to track the entire flight. Even if a site covered the frequency of interest,
most of the site providers will scan a number of frequencies for that center. So, if a fight or ground station is communicating on a frequency other than the one your flight is on, and the scanner is on that frequency,  you could miss hearing your flight or miss getting a frequency hand-off for your flight on your frequency of interest.
  One suggestion you could try is to get the flight plan of your flight of interest (Flight Aware is a good source); then using the
FAA IFR Enroute High Altitude charts see what centers the flight will pass thru. (Flight Aware will also show this as it tracts
the flight) You could then use Live ATC to monitor the available frequencies for the centers involved. For instance a flight from Newark, NJ, to Miami, Fla. (depending on the flight plan) passes thru NY, Washington, Jacksonville, and Miami Centers. 
  Pretty much a hit and miss approach with more miss than hit, and time-consumming. Hopefully as this site expands and
grows we will get more Center coverage.
   
 

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2011, 09:20:04 PM »
As AeroBill said, Flightaware.com is a very useful tool to track flights. No link to audio, but shows you where the aircraft is at any time. Using this, you will have a better idea when to tune in to certain feeds.

http://flightaware.com/
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 09:24:26 PM by joeyb747 »

Offline JetScan1

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 11:21:18 AM »
FYI this is the most common route flown between EWR and MIA ...

ELVAE COL WHITE J209 SBY KEMPR DIW AR22 JORAY HILEY2


EWR departure ...

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1113/00285NEWARK.PDF

MIA arrival ...

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1113/00257HILEY.PDF

Enroute charts ...

http://skyvector.com/


These are the standard frequencies (altitudes) used on this route ....

New York Departure 119.200 (to 6000)

New York Departure 124.750 (to 17000)

New York Center 118.975 (to FL240)

Washington Center 121.025 (to cruise altitude - even, ie: FL320/FL340/FL360/FL380/FL400) 

Washington Center 121.375 (FL360 and above)
Washington Center 120.975 (FL340 and below)

Washington Center 120.750 (FL360 and above)
Washington Center 133.825 (FL340 and below)

Washington Center 118.825 (FL360 and above)
Washington Center 124.025 (FL340 and below)

Jacksonville Center 120.125 (FL380 and above) (sector used when required, otherwise merged into lower sectors)
Jacksonville Center 135.050 (FL360 and below - north)
Jacksonville Center 134.850 (FL360 and below - south)

Miami Center 128.650 (FL360 and above, to FL350)  (sector used when required, otherwise merged into lower sector)
Miami Center 119.825 (FL340 and below, OSOGY at FL240)

Miami Center 132.150 (MILSY at 16000 - landing east, MILSY at 13000 - landing west)

Miami Approach 120.500 (landing east)
Miami Approach 124.850 (landing west)

AFAIK the only enroute Center frequencies covered here on LiveATC are Jacksonville 135.050 and Miami 132.150

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 03:01:34 PM »
SCRAMBLER,
 
    You didn't say in your post whether you have a radio scanner or not. (Radio Shack sells scanners covering the aircraft band.) This would add to your ability to track flights in your area. Even with just an antenna in the attic of your house (outside is best) you could at least receive aircraft transmissions up to about 100 miles from your location, depending on the altitude of the aircraft and your location. 
    I've been able to follow flights in the Northeast corridor from North of Boston down to Washington D.C. airports for about and hour or so using the scanner and Live ATC.
    Happy listening.

PS: Thanks Jetscan1 for posting the frequencies used for NY to Miami.

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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 03:29:28 PM »
If you really want to get hardcore, get a subscription to Flight Explorer, you can watch all the traffic and it has an overlay that displays all the individual ATC sector boundaries.

http://www.flightexplorer.com/personal/personalEdition.aspx




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Re: Newark Departures for a Noob!
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 01:22:47 PM »
Thanks everyone for posting really great information.
Aerobill, I don't have a scanner I am just using LiveATC.  On EWR departures I ususally lose the aircraft after NY Departure 124.75.  It appears LIVE ATC doesn't cover that part.  Then since I am not a pilot or have any real ATC or actual knowledge of ATC Centers I find I am often confused by the ARTCC sectors to tune too.  I am not sure where they are or what areas they actually cover.  So, I find myself hindered even further with my lack of knowledge in this area.  JetScan1, I will look into the flight explorer subscription and see if that helps. I had a relative that works for an airline that I used to be able to login and use this but no longer.

thanks!!