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Title: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 18, 2013, 10:03:43 AM
A new, second ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) #2 is now up and running.  I've been wanting to do this for some time and it's now done!

There are now two ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feeds, #1 and #2.  The frequencies on these feeds are as follows:

ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) #1
Boston Center (BOS46 Sector Hi) 126.225
Boston Center (BOS46 Sector Hi backup) 118.425 
New York Center (Sector 66 MANTA Low) 128.300
New York Center (Sector 67 DIXIE low) 118.975
New York Center (Sector 86 Atlantic Oceanic Hi) 133.500
Washington Center (Sector 54 Hi) 120.975
Washington Center (Sector 59 Hi) 133.125
Washington Center (Sector 54 Hi) 121.375
Washington Center (Sector 58 Hi) 121.025
Washington Center (Sector 34 Hi) 120.75
Washington Center (Sector 51 Casino Lo) 127.700

ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) #2
Boston Center (IGN20 Sector Hi) 125.575
New York Center (Sector 55 YARDLEY Lo) 134.600
New York Center (Sector 42 East Texas High) 127.175
New York Center (Sector 56 Kennedy High) 125.325
New York Center (Sector 34 High) 132.175
New York Center (Sector 56 Kennedy High backup) 134.375
New York Center (Sector 9 High) 134.325
Washington Center (Sector 19 Hi) 125.45
Washington Center (Sector 12 Hi) 126.875
Washington Center (Sector 10 Hi) 132.275 (used occasionally)
Washington Center (Sector 18 Hi) 132.525
Washington Center (Sector 4 Hi) 133.975

Enjoy!

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: AeroBill on August 23, 2013, 06:21:08 PM
Ron,

Still planning to put 132.175 in the frequency listening section? It's missing from the list.

Aerobill
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 24, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Hey Aero,

132.175 is being scanned on the #2 JFK area feed, for some reason it hasn't made its way into the list yet.  What you see in the list is handled by someone else.  But, I can tell you that 132.175 is being scanned.

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: AeroBill on August 24, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
Ron,

 OK. Thanks. Heard it on the scanner too.
Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 24, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
Ur welcome :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on August 27, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Ron...how about 121.32 and 133.15? They are the primary arrivals for JFKs LENDY6 arrival during the busy times (~18z-01z daily) 121.32 is out of North Mountain, PA and 133.15 at SAX.

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: JetScan1 on August 27, 2013, 09:41:24 PM
Quote
how about 121.32 and 133.15?

A second opinion. The radio is already overloaded with too many frequencies as it is. I'm curious how much you would expect to actually hear on these additional frequencies if they were added on, given all the other frequencies that are already being scanned ?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 28, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
Sorry Jim, I have to agree with Jet on this.  It would be too many on one feed. In fact, I think it's almost too many freqs as it is.  But it is a good reason to add another feed.  I would consider that, I have the radio for it. Just would need to gather a few other things. A few other freqs could be added too, like ZNY128.575 and ZNY 132.875. Interesting idea tho... :)

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on August 28, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
Ron...yes agreed...lots of freqs. Maybe rearrange the feeds so that JFK Arrivals sectors were on one feed and departure sectors on the other. Right now it looks like its more geographic. Easier to follow when the inbounds and outbounds are each bunched all together, etc. Maybe take out a few that are duplicated by Dave's Atl/Mil feed from NH?

BTW...did you re-tighten the squelch on the IGN20 feed (125.575?)...yes it was noisy...but when you opened it up a bit you could still hear a bit of the ground side...I liked that! Your feed...your call... Just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on August 28, 2013, 12:32:50 PM
BTW Ron...my vote would be to use that other radio and split your Clipr feed into two feeds...that's super busy with the 4 ground-side freqs and often too busy to "follow" flights/comms. Specifically...135.8 is often stepped on by 134.0 or 124.52... Again...my 2 cents!

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 28, 2013, 01:27:19 PM
Actually that is also part of the plan. at some point those feeds will also be split up. The one feed 134.0 was added because I could get a decent signal there.for some reason I cannot receive 125.575 there even though it comes from the same transmitter as 134.0. by the way that feed originates out in Ridge New York which is a lot further east from North Babylon. I agree with you that those feeds should be split up you are right they are very busy. I actually have more than one scanner radio I could put into service, the problem is I don't have the raspberry pi's and I also don't have proper antennas.once I have the necessary equipment I would be happy to expand the feeds I have now.the JFK one feed and the JFK to feet are both operating from a single Raspberry Pi. This system is working actually quite well. So maybe that could be done to the single feed out in Ridge. hmm, you've given me something to think about, I'll have to look into this idea.

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on August 28, 2013, 11:19:07 PM
Heck...I'll send you the $$ for a rasp pi to split the feed!... Thats what we are using at my feed I set up at my dad's near Rome, NY... ZBW-RKA & UCA/ART feeds. I knew they were busy...so set out w/two feeds. working out great.

BTW...can you retweek the feed squelch to hear the "noisy" IGN20 sector?

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 29, 2013, 09:52:13 AM
Oh, what a coincidence! The feed I have out in Ridge New York is also at my dads place. he's very close to Calverton where the signal originates from. right now I'm not home. But when I get back home tomorrow I will look into the IGN 20 signal and see what I can do to improve it. I'm actually in Stamford New York right now and will be going back home tomorrow morning.

by the way, I appreciate the offer for the Raspberry Pi. I might take you up on that! I even have a couple of Griffin iMics lying around so all that's really need is the Raspberry Pi. I'll let u know! Thanks for the offer!

Ron

Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: JetScan1 on August 29, 2013, 04:27:01 PM
Thanks for the feeds guys. I would be happy to donate funds as well to get more radios or hardware. PM me if you can accomodate more or need a donation.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 31, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
Thanks Jet, I appreciate the offer.  Right now I'm experimenting with splitting a single antenna signal to supply two radios.  I might go out to my parents place today and see what happens when I split the signal there.  The problem there is that they live in a gated community and they have their rules about antennas being visible to others.  There's really no room for play there as far as placing the antenna in a higher location (oh, if only I could place it higher  :x). So, basically, I'd have to work with what's out there right now.  I'll PM you when I have a better handle on what can be done there.

And Jim, yes the two JFK area feeds are split somewhat geographically because a lot of the traffic through this area goes north/south.  So I tried to arrange the feeds to follow that idea.  For example, on JFK2 you can hear northbound overflights getting handed off from 126.875 to 125.45 and then I believe to 125.325 and then to 125.575.  There's also departures from KLGA that come on to 134.6 and get handed off to 134.325.  From there they get handed off to 133.475 (covered by someone else's feed) and then to 133.975.  KBOS arrivals start their descent on 125.325 and get handed off to 134.0.  So, there is some method to the madness :)

BTW, I've been listening to 133.15 for the past hour now and thus far haven't heard anything.  Maybe they only use that (and 121.325) when things get busy...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on August 31, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
It's always tough when you've got a bunch or frequencies where you only get the airborne side. If I am not mistaken, Ron feeds one from his pop's out east and the other from home in Nassau. The gem in his collection is 134.0, where he can get the ground from his dad's, and if it were me I think I would at the very least have a dedicated radio for that one, run the feed out there in stereo, put that freq on one side and the kettle of fish on the other. At least that way you could get full QSO for one of these many channels, in fact if I had to choose between streaming either a dozen one-sided channels of mostly very brief acknowledgements of instructions or a full air/ground channel that occasionally is dead for hours at a time, I would still choose the latter. Even if you didn't want to run stereo, I would still use two radios, one scanning and the other on 134, and brew up a simple audio priority switch to pad down (not fully mute) the scanning radio whenever the squelch on the fixed radio is opened.

Even without an active device you can make a simple three-way mixer with a handful of resistors and a small chunk of perf-board that will give left, right and center audio with a stereo feed, which is what I use on the HF feed. We're not talking about hard left and right, more like 45 degrees either side, which makes things less disorienting. Using three HF receivers I feed 5550 left, 6577 right 24/7 and 8846 from 9AM to 8PM in the center, and it is rare that two frequencies are in use at the same time, let alone all three, and only when they are switching over as the bands go up and down.

Even with a mono, single channel feed using blended audio, if you group frequencies between two or three radios such that all the channels associated with certain arrivals or departures are allocated to one receiver, with different receivers becoming more active at different times, you will still be far better off than with a single radio scanning a dozen channels.

Of course this is all IMHO
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on August 31, 2013, 05:45:25 PM
Hey ID, how's it going?

The feed out at my parents place in Ridge is the one with 134.0, 135.8, 132.3 and 124.525.  You can hear both sides of the conversation on all of these frequencies.  132.3 is the odd one...it is only used occasionally.  So if this feed were split up, I would probably put 134.0 and 132.3 on one and 135.8 and 124.525 on the other.  The only issue is the antenna.  I can't put up a second antenna so the signal would have to be split.  It would be nice if 134.0 had it's very own feed but then at the same time 135.8 should also have its own feed IMO :)

So, what about the other feeds here at home?  I fully agree that there's a lot happening on both feeds.  So, hypothetically speaking, if they were to be split up, what do you guys think of this arrangement:

#1
132.525, 126.875, 125.45, 125.325, 125.575

#2
120.75, 121.375, 120.975, 133.125, 118.975

#3
128.3, 133.5, 127.7

#4
134.6, 134.325, 121.025, 133.975

This takes into account as much as possible the routes that flights take through each sector.  #1 for example is mostly northbound overflights and descending flights into KLGA and KEWR, #2 has north and southbound flights and also flights descending into JFK.  #3 is mostly JFK departing flights going south and #4 seems to be mostly departing flights out of KLGA (and EWR??).

This set up doesn't even consider western approaches and departures from the NY area.  132.875 handles mostly westbound flights and 128.575 handles mostly inbound flights from the west and hands off to 124.625. 

But this is all just hypothetical  :-D

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
So out east, put a splitter in so you can feed your antenna to both radios, add another sound card & stream to your PC. Then, if they both tend to be busy at the same time, put 134.0 on one radio and 135.8 on the other. Then put 124.525 on whichever radio it doubles the least with and 132.3 on the other. If you can set delay by channel, put 2s delay on 134 and 135.8 and no delay on the others.

Same schema at home... group frequencies that either have a common progression (so you hear a flight transitioning between channels) OR that have operations at different times. For example, if you only had one feed you could group JFK CAMRN and ROBER together because they are not always active at the same time. First and foremost are any channels where you get both sides of the conversation... try to have a radio for each of them, turn on their delay so they hold the two-way and keep the other shit from breaking up the QSOs, and then pile in the rest of them according to conflict schedules (when two-way "A" is active, shit "B" usually is not).

If you don't get the ground side, I would probably just pile all the departure stuff, 3 & 4, on one radio, then split 1 & 2 among the other two or three radios. Ideally it would end up in three groups, something like NY area Departures, Arrivals & Overflights.

All I know is when I try to listen to feeds where the guy loads up the scanner, I never hear both sides of the conversation and half the airborne transmissions are partial due to scanning... it is largely incomprehensible and gets boring pretty quickly.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 10:53:37 AM
Soon (today) you can remove the North Mountain frequencies - a ZNY feed is going up shortly.

128.575 Sector 75 Milton High - enroute to New York, Allentown, Philadelphia, etc, and westbound flights
132.150 Sector 74 Broadway Low, enroute to New York
134.800: Sector 91 Williamsport Low, low altitude over central PA enroute to University Park airport (UNV) and Williamsport airport (IPT)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 11:19:50 AM
That should be a great feed, Dave. Does it get the ground side?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 11:26:48 AM
Yep
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
North Mountain is a great site. I had to go up there decades ago to fix a repeater nobody could get figured out. That feed, which I assume is on high ground, will probably be picking up 5-10% of all the flights in the country when you consider the bulk of the flights between the PHL/BOS corridor and the middle/upper mid-west pass overhead on their way to or from Slate Run.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Have access to a site where we can put a few receivers for more ZNY coverage - Camelback Mountain in PA.  Going to be putting some receivers there before the snow flies.

Should be able to cover Flint Hill (124.625/132.1/134.6), better coverage for Huguenot (132.6),    Colts Neck and Matawan may be too far.  Possibly Sparta (133.150).

Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 12:14:13 PM
New ZNY North Mountain feed up on:

http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=zny

Labeled ZNY North Mountain

Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 01, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
I actually didn't have any of the north mountain frequencies in my feeds. This is nice! I guess Camelback is too far from 132.175 to get the ground side? That would be a nice bonus.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
I actually didn't have any of the north mountain frequencies in my feeds. This is nice! I guess Camelback is too far from 132.175 to get the ground side? That would be a nice bonus.

I think we can get all or most of the Elk Mountain RCAG freqs up there - I neglected to list those:

132.17500 ZNY34 Sector 34 Elmira High
128.50000 ZNY34 Sector 34 Elmira High (Spare)    
133.15000 ZNY36 Sector 36 Sparta Low
134.45000 ZNY51 Sector 51 Lake Henry Low

I did some recon up there in June but I can't find my notes.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
Let me know if you need any "special" antennas
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
Let me know if you need any "special" antennas

The specialty up there will be extreme filtering (bandpass/notch).
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
Got that covered, too. Lot's in the junk pile and I'll be happy to brew up stubs, resonators and such. Let me know if you need some help. You know me... I'll do it for free if you just get an ARINC 129.4 receiver up there, since they have a ground station at IPT. If you can pick that up, or even hear it way down in the grass, I've got the proper antenna, hard line and GRR-23 ready to go... installation included. You know how bad I want a good domestic ARINC station for all those flooded toilets and gear indicator lights, and that location is dead center for the NE net, probably get both sides of every QSO. Then we can break 129.4 out of the JFK feed and just run oceanic out of there, or I'll put a voting system on 29.4 for the flights that are too far east for IPT to pick up.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 01:37:01 PM
I'll have a date set within the next few weeks - will keep you posted.  Williamsport will be too far from this site - behind Scranton/Wilkes-Barre hills, but we'll see.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 02:02:01 PM
The 129.4 ARINC station is right up top on that "Cumulus Granite" cloud across the river south of the airport, which I seem to recall is about a 2200' ridge littered with aluminum. I was thinking this might be in range for that new ZNY feed you just got up. I'll still help with Camelback and Elk... I just need my ARINC!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 02:05:18 PM
OK let me check into it.  We will likely have to split this new site into two receivers anyway.  But all depends on the transmit duty cycle of ARINC there.  If they are simulcasting all the time, like the other sites, that may be an issue to be resolved (separate receiver).
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Have GRR-23, will travel. They generally do transmit from all the sites in the net simultaneously, each site having various frequency offsets, that particular site is offset +2.5kc, but the GRR has an old-fashioned crystal and can be netted, so no problem. The key over there is how good the airborne reception is, assuming we get the ground. If it is anything like what we get down at JFK, we should get enroute flights at altitude from Detroit to Boston to Baltimore since we get just about everything east of Buffalo down in Long Island now. Even if we just get the ground it's worth it to me... I'll provide a dedicated PC and run a real-time tie line to Stamford just like the one I am running from my private 129.9 receiver down on the island, then I'll feed the AGC from both of them via modulated sub-carrier and select the best airborne signal of the two and feed it out from here. Piece of cake.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 01, 2013, 03:00:54 PM
So, I'm out here at my parents place running two radios off of the same antenna.  I am using a plain old cable splitter right now to split the signal to the two radios.  There seems to be only a very slight degradation in signal level due to the splitter...you can still hear the ground side on all the frequencies; 134.0 being the weakest in the bunch.  At the moment the JFK_CCC feed is running off of a split signal if anyone wants to check it out and give me their opinions.  Before I leave here I'll put it back the way it was.

Is there a reason why you would not want to use a simple cable splitter like this besides the slightly attenuated signal?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: dave on September 01, 2013, 03:04:17 PM
Ron-

Only reason would be if signals became so attenuated that reception was noticeably degraded.  With a 2-way that seldom happens.

Dave
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 01, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, Jim, I've been playing around with IGN20 reception and haven't had much luck so far.  I am using a different scanner radio, other than that nothing has changed.  But I haven't given up...

Ron


BTW...can you retweek the feed squelch to hear the "noisy" IGN20 sector?

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 01, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Dave...GREAT NEWS about North Mtn... Congrats AWESOME FEED!! Love all the  LGA & EWR traffic!

BUT...how about 121.325??? That's the SFK-Hi sector for ZNY that handles all the LENDY6 Arrivals to JFK (from xmitting from N MTN)..handing off to 133.15 or 132.6...during high traffic periods... 18z-01z... Can we add that feed?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 01, 2013, 06:15:07 PM
Could be the receiver quality when it's that tight...

Thx for trying...hope maybe we can get a dedicated shelton ct up sometime soon...

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: W3MAT on September 01, 2013, 07:45:21 PM
Hello Guys,

I'm glad you are enjoying the ZNY North Mountain feed.  Currently the antenna is a 1/4 wave mobile whip mounted outdoors, not really cut for the aircraft band, and fed to the scanner with RG-8X coax, but non the less it is working.   Today I picked up the materials needed to construct a J-Pole antenna, that will be "cut" to 129.212 (center frequency between 123.625 and 134.800), and that will be connected to the scanner with either RG-8 or LMR400 coax.  I hope this will improve the reception, especially the controller on 128.575, as he/she is just a tad bit weak for my liking. 

Loon
W3MAT
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 01, 2013, 08:33:26 PM
The feed is great!  Thanks for providing this feed!  I've been listening to it all afternoon!

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: W3MAT on September 01, 2013, 08:52:11 PM
I have been monitoring most of the day myself.  In conjunction with the feed, I have been watching flightradar24, and surprisingly I am picking up aircraft just off PHL, over Allentown, and out as far west as Clarion.  Some are a bit week, but I  (or the antenna) can hear them.  Not bad for that whip antenna. 

Loon
W3MAT
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 01, 2013, 09:00:36 PM
Imagine what that J-pole will do!  One of the antennas I'm using is actually a marine antenna mounted on the roof here on Long Island.  With that one I can hear westbound aircraft crossing into Cleveland Center and southbound and southwest bound flights passing Norfolk, Virginia or Montebello, VA...not bad I suppose...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: W3MAT on September 01, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
No, not at all Ron.  That's great for your antenna.  I would be very pleased with that.  I don't believe I'm going to post the antenna change right away, just to see if anyone can notice the difference. 
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 09:16:39 PM
The j-pole should add a couple dB if matched up nicely, but unless you're on top of a hill it's all about getting above the trees. What elevation are you, and is there any way you could see if you can get the 129.4 ARINC ground station over at IPT from your location?... if so I'd be happy to ship you some equipment.  I would recommend RG-6 quad over the RG8 if you are not going with LMR-400, especially since you can easily match 75 ohm with your j-pole... and your scanner won't care. Of course if you've got a tower and can pick up 129.4, I'd give you a 60' roll of 1" Heliax complete with N terminations... better than all of them.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: W3MAT on September 01, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Not familiar with 129.4.

124.9 for ZNY low at IPT yes, but even that is tough because there is a mountain between myself and IPT.

I am on a hill, above trees, but not all of them.   I will most likely go with the LMR-400.  Oh yes, the Heliax would be great!
I want to get that RG-8X off and go with the heavier cable to reduce signal loss.

Someone made mention of the JFK arrivals.  I did monitor 121.325 for about an hour this evening on the scanner here at work, but nothing heard. 
I will keep an ear on it, and if I can get the controller good and clear may consider adding it to the scan list in the future, if there is
enough interest in it.  I have 7 frequencies going now, and I know 121.325 can get busy, although controller and aircraft are on the same freq, not
like the 132.15/124.625 pairing.  I just don't want to "clutter" up the feed.  After a day of monitoring it seems to be going pretty well.  There has
been an aircraft or controller covered, or blocked, by traffic on one of the other frequencies,  but that's to be expected when scanning 7 channels of ATC.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 01, 2013, 11:35:54 PM
Which mountain? The ARINC antenna is on Skyline Drive atop the mountain south of Williamsport at 2400' MSL. If that's the mountain you're talking about it's no problem. I'd be willing to bet it is line of sight from there to the North Mountain site you're getting now, probably about thirty miles of lower ground between them, so it's just a matter of where you are and the hills around you.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 02, 2013, 01:13:24 AM
Thanks for the N Mtn feed! Its awesome. Ive been hoping/waiting a long time to get the western ZNY sectors on the net. I've been listening to many of these sectors for 10+ years when I'm driving thru the area...so great to have em on-line.

BTW..I was just out driving in the IPT area a week ago on rte 15, I180 & I80...for some reason, 128.57(hi) and 132.15(low) were both about equal from the ground side...but in the same locations...121.32 (hi) was noticibly weaker at times (along I80 east of Williamsport)...but they all xmit from N Mtn. Interesting. But they were all strong from the Williamsport area along I 180, so I would expect you should hear it from your site.

FYI...the 121.325 (SFK sector) typically opens daily from ~2pm til about 9pm...during busy times with JFK and EWR Sats (TEB/MMU) arrivals. At other times the sector is combined with 132.175 sector out of Elk Mtn. However...I have observed that some holiday times and slower traffic afternoons (due to weather when JFK arrivals are rerouted to other STARs) they don't decombine the sectors as was the case today(Holiday?) I was listening to the new feed this aft. and heard the controller on 128.57 hand off a NB aircraft to 121.32, then correct himself and said 132.17. That tells me today was a day (rare) that ZNY DIDNT decombine the SFK sector.

pretty much the same is true for 132.6 and 133.15... They only open up 133.15 during similar hours when that sector (SAX) is busy with arrivals. There is also a early morning JFK push from about 6am to about 8 am when they also open up (decombine) the 133.15 sector separate from 132.6 (HUO). 133.15 WAS open today though...even though 121.32 wasn't.

In summary...pls give 121.32 another try, hopefully ground side can be heard...it's a cool sector to listen to when busy. You guys are right... 7+ ATC freqs is a lot...prob will ultimately need to split them into two (or more!) feeds for best listening if at all possible...I think this will be a very popular feed! But one feed scanning 7or8 is better than none!!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 02, 2013, 09:11:57 AM
Hey W3MAT, good morning!

Is it just me or am I hearing sometimes two different frequencies at the same time on your North Mountain feed?  Most of the time it's not doing that but once in a while I can hear it happen...Just wondering...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 02, 2013, 09:27:03 AM
Sorry, you can ignore the last question W3MAT...I figured out what was going on...I forgot I was listening to two different feeds at the same time  :oops:
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 02, 2013, 11:46:55 AM
You got the foot feed inside the mouth feed?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 02, 2013, 11:49:46 AM
Yes exactly!  :-D
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 02, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Times like this, with major wx in NY, are when this feed will be great... everybody stacked up carving race tracks over Milton. That's when 129.4 ARINC comes alive as these guys talk to their dispatchers about fuel and alternates.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 02, 2013, 03:12:14 PM
Looking at FlightAware, it seems not many want to fly to LGA or EWR in this weather  :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 02, 2013, 04:00:49 PM
They want to, they just can't get there.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 02, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
I agree...best listening is when wx moves in!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 02, 2013, 07:11:27 PM
W3MAT...any luck hearing 121.32 today? We're they even "on" today? I saw from flightaware that mid-aft they rerouted most Eastbound LENDY arrivals south over CAMRN4. I've been driving all day...not able to listen at all.

Thanks and 73s!
Jim
N2BXI
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: W3MAT on September 02, 2013, 08:24:05 PM
I haven't actually heard them on 121.325 because I'm not at a scanner equipped position here at work, but the 128.575 controller did put some aircraft over on 121.325 because of the north routing due to storms over central PA earlier today.  Your call looks familiar Jim, I'll look you up in my log to see if we worked before. 

73
Loon
W3MAT
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 02, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
121.32 very busy at the moment...
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 02, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
I hoping we'll be able to hear both sides of it!!  :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 03, 2013, 07:28:45 AM
yes that would be nice, but that unfortunately is not going to happen from my in here on Long Island. Sry  :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 08, 2013, 05:32:50 PM
So out east, put a splitter in so you can feed your antenna to both radios, add another sound card & stream to your PC. Then, if they both tend to be busy at the same time, put 134.0 on one radio and 135.8 on the other. Then put 124.525 on whichever radio it doubles the least with and 132.3 on the other. If you can set delay by channel, put 2s delay on 134 and 135.8 and no delay on the others.


Hey ID, thought you'd like to know that the feed from my parents place is now split into two with 135.8, 124.525 and 121.5 on one and 134.0 and 132.3 on the other.  This should make it easier to follow things...132.3 is not active all too often so that's why I put it with 134.0

The next step will be to split the JFK area feeds...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: MIAMIATC on September 09, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
I would like to propose that this feed be divided into ARTCC centers. 1 feed dedicated to the Boston/New York ARTCC frequencies and the other dedicated to the Washington ARTCC frequencies. Again just a suggestion.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 09, 2013, 06:17:11 PM
Hey Miami,

There are actually two JFK feeds now.  The two feeds would be split into four like this:

#1
132.525, 126.875, 125.45, 125.325, 125.575

#2
120.75, 121.375, 120.975, 133.125, 118.975

#3
128.3, 133.5, 127.7

#4
134.6, 134.325, 121.025, 133.975

This arrangement would seem to make sense since they follow a general flow of traffic from one sector to the next.  At least that's the plan right now...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: 13ifs40 on September 13, 2013, 08:38:31 AM
good morning

    just want to give you a heads up

you have 134.00 broadcasting on both   (DXR19/SOUTHIE49)  and (CLIPR32/HTO31)


thanks    Ian
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 13, 2013, 09:10:33 AM
Hello Ian,

Yes we are aware this is happening.  Not yet sure what's causing it but it is being worked on.  Thanks  :-)

Ron

good morning

    just want to give you a heads up

you have 134.00 broadcasting on both   (DXR19/SOUTHIE49)  and (CLIPR32/HTO31)

Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 13, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
Ron...listening to archives from Thurs Night...sounds like your CCC1 & 2 feeds are reversed.

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 13, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
Hey Jim,

Well that's one of the problems...if you listen to the ccc2 feed you'll notice that you can actually hear both the ccc1 AND ccc2 feeds with ccc2 much louder than ccc1.  Somewhere there is crossover but not sure exactly how this is happening.  It's being worked on though.  Hopefully the cause can be found.  It's all very strange, I'm told it's a first...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 14, 2013, 01:56:17 PM
Yeah...I noticed that when you first split it... I normally "follow" 135.8 on your feed(s)... Used to hear it on the CLIPR feed now I'm hearing it (best) on the SOUTHIE feed. Doesn't matter to me...as long as I can hear it on ONE of your feeds! Weird though..I know what you mean. Glad the one channel does "knock out" the other side-so its tolerable. Good luck!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 14, 2013, 02:38:39 PM
Actually, when the feed was first split, it all worked just fine.  ccc1 and ccc2 were both where they were supposed to be.  Then the next day an "anamoly" occurred that required a new SD card for the Pi.  The new SD card was installed and, low and behold, the oddity you hear now on the ccc2 feed began.  Supposedly it's impossible for this to happen.  All I know is that it's being worked on.  The ccc1 and 2 feeds originate out at my parents place; I'll be there tomorrow so hopefully we'll be able to figure something out.

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 15, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Ron...listening to archives from Thurs Night...sounds like your CCC1 & 2 feeds are reversed.

Jim

Hey Jim,

The CCC1 and CCC2 two feeds are no longer reversed.  A simple swap of the cables took care of that...

I added an amplifier in line and from what I can tell it improved reception of 134.0 - does the ATC side on 134.0 sound a little better now?  I'd like to know what you think (or anyone else for that matter) when you get a chance...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 15, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
    just want to give you a heads up

you have 134.00 broadcasting on both   (DXR19/SOUTHIE49)  and (CLIPR32/HTO31)


Hello Ian,

The problem of 134.0 being heard on both (DXR19/SOUTHIE49) and (CLIPR32/HTO31) has been fixed.  There was a miswire in the audio cable from one of the scanners that caused the problem.  But it should be fixed now.

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 16, 2013, 10:19:01 AM
Hey Ron...haven't had a chance to listen to 134.0 yet...but if the in-line amplifyer is helping...maybe it'll help you get 125.575?? (Still hoping!!...) Did you/can you try it?

BTW...my reception at my house of ZNY-125.32 (soon to be new feed) is good...BUT NO ground side for 127.175. Hmmm... should be from the same site, right? (Matawan)

Jim
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 16, 2013, 10:26:10 AM
Good morning Jim,

Sorry I tried 125.575 but no luck even with the amplifier.  But I have to say the ground side of 134.0 sounds much better now.  128.1 also transmits out of Shelton when ZBW is using it but I can't hear the ground side of that one either...

And yes, as far as I know 127.175 is also out of Matawan so I don't know what's up there...

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 16, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
Where's 25.75 supposed to be coming from?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 16, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
If you mean 25.57 then it comes out of Shelton CT, the same location as 134.0 and 128.1
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 16, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
I'll see if I can pick up any trace elements of the ground from here.

You say you can't get it from Pop's?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 16, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
No, not even a hint of a signal, yet I used to be able to hear a low signal from here in North Babylon.  At the moment though I can only hear an occasional very faint voice riding in the noise.  It's totally unintelligible though and doesn't come close to breaking squelch.  One of my projects is to resurrect my 3-element yagi and point it that way and see what happens...after reading some of the advice you gave Loon in PA, I'm going to try and play with the Yagi again.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 16, 2013, 02:21:10 PM
If you can hear it at all, a 3-el should do it. Use the VE3SQB software model for a 3-el, tuned to 125. It's the best 3 element model I have ever used.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 16, 2013, 07:46:49 PM
Ron - Listening to your 134 feed, telltale sound of wall-wart power supply. How about I send you a 12v switching supply you can wire up to power both radios... no charge.

Also, that digital hash under the carriers sounds like network... you got any wireless or CAT5 near the radios?
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 16, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
Hey ID, just got home from work...

The feed setup is about a foot away from a WiFi router and about three feet from a VoIP telephone box.

There's also an old TV signal amplifier inline that I'm sure is enhancing the digital noise but it does make the controller on 134.0 much easier to understand.  Before the amplifier you could hear the guy but not as good as now.  I know it's not the right amplifier for this kind of setup but it was all I had at the moment.  Unfortunately my parents live in a gated community so raising the quarter-wave airband antenna any higher is most likely out of the question.  The antenna itself is being used to supply both radios and the signal is being split by a simple 5 - 900MHz splitter.

The Pi is housed in a white plastic case unlike the black metal case that houses the Pi I'm using at home.  The Pi sits right on top of the radios.  I'm wondering if there should be some separation of the radios and the Pi...

I also had a situation yesterday when I was there where the scanning action of one radio introduced a fairly loud taping noise into the audio of the other feed.  It almost sounded like a jack hammer.  I've attached a 10 second file so you can hear what I'm talking about.  It took me a while to figure out where that noise was coming from but I finally found that it occurred whenever one of the radios was scanning.  The noise could only be heard on the ccc2 feed whenever the ccc1 radio was scanning.  There was no problem with that particular noise while listening to the ccc1 feed.  The noise disappeared when the amplifier was placed in line.  I'm not sure I understand why it vanished, I'm just happy it went away.

I don't know offhand the make of the power supply, but it is rated at 500mA and is powering both radios.  I'm curious, what is it that you're hearing that makes you suspect a less than adequate power supply?  I would be happy to try your power supply if you think it will improve performance.  I will PM you my address...

Thanks for your help  :-)

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 17, 2013, 12:45:12 AM
The PS will definitely take care of the hum. Those wall warts are notoriously poorly regulated even if a half amp was adequate, which it is not for two radios. I'll send you a supply.

The WiFi router IS the source of the digital hash. It is most likely getting into the radios via the audio and power cables, not the feed line, so what you need to do is snap some ferrites around those cables (the donut things you see on VGA cables and such. You can get them at Radio Crap. You should wrap as many turns through the donuts as you can, and as close to the radio as you can. If that fails, you can install the radios in a metal enclosure with feed-throughs, but I'd try the beads first.

As to the jackhammer, that's one (or more) of the channels on the scanning radio generating an oscillator frequency that is mixing with something else and generating a mirror in the other radio. Depending upon the radio and circumstances it may be impossible to eliminate, or as simple as adding a reject stub here or there. I have even had situations where radios had such cross-talk when on two different antennas... signals going up the feed line, jumping between the antennas and back down the other side. In your case, both radios probably have the standard IF (Intermediate Frequency... the difference between mixer oscillator frequency and received frequency) of 10.7 mHz, and it just so happens that the 121.5 channel on one radio is 10.8 mHz away from the 132.3 on the other which means that depending upon whether by design they mix "up" or "down", the 121.5 radio could be providing interference on 132.2, or the 132.3 radio could be interfering at 121.6  100kHz is not much for bleed-box scanners with high gain front ends. Now, if that cross-talk is via the audio and power cables, the donuts will fix that, too, and the fact that the addition of the amplifier cleaned it up tells me it brought the noise level up from the desired source (the antenna) and swamped it out... but it is still in there.

One thing you could definitely do that costs nothing and can only help, would be to tee-in a half-wave open (or 1/4 wave shorted) 133.15 coax stub on the 132/134 radio, which will act as a band pass filter. The other radio has 121.5 and 135.8, so there's not much you can do about that one. But first you need to de-couple the power and audio lines, then we'll see where we're at.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 17, 2013, 12:19:22 PM
Good morning ID,

A big thank you for all that advice!

I hear the hum you're talking about, I really didn't notice it before...I can hear it even when there's no radio chatter.  I'd swear that it was never there before.

I will definitely try the ferrite core idea as soon as I can get out to my parents place again (which probably won't be for two weeks).  If I could get rid of that noise I would be very happy.  Would you wrap both the + and - side of the power cable or just the + side?  And would you use a separate ferrite core for each application (power cable and the two audio cables)?

Once again, thanks very much for your ideas and suggestions, I greatly appreciate it!

Ron

Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 17, 2013, 02:09:59 PM
Just wrap both power lines around together, assuming it is mini zip cord (like speaker wire), and use separate cores for power and audio, and we'll see what that changes. If the PI is not enclosed in anything you might think about putting it in an 8" aluminum baking pan with foil "cover", then strapping the two radio chassis and the pan together with some short, reasonably heavy wires or coax braid, but that would be the next test. With all the chassis bonded together and interconnections properly decoupled you really should not have a problem.

One other thing that I would do is disable the wireless if you have access to the router setup, or remove the antenna, and see if that changes the hash level, because it is important to determine whether we are getting wireless RF or harmonic emissions from the electronics themselves, or even network cabling, which can be shielded. When I first set up my VHF feeds I was getting random crap for a few weeks until I (stupidly) remembered I had a wireless AP up on the same tower, and the only solution was relocating the AP.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 17, 2013, 06:25:15 PM
Funny, I never even thought of turning off the WiFi...I'll try that when I get home from work in a couple of hours...

I also found an old Sony car audio equalizer in my basement that has a ferrite core on the + side of the power line.  I could experiment with that...

The Pi is enclosed in a plastic case designed for the Pi.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 17, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
I'm confused... I thought the 134 Rx was out at pop's, and that was where the WiFi was right next to the rigs. I'm hearing the hum and hash out there.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 17, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
The 134.0 feed is at my parents place but I can link to their PC from here so I should be able to access their router remotely and shut off the wifi. Their pc is hard wired to the network so it shouldn't be a problem.  But I got home from work a lot later than planned so I'll have to try that tomorrow.  Their router does not have an external antenna on it.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 18, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Hey ID,

Forgot that my parents are away for a few days so there's no one to turn the PC on.  It'll have to wait till they get back.

But I have basically the same setup here at home for the two JFK area feeds.  The WiFi router is just as close to the feed setup as at my parents place.  When you get a chance have a listen...to me it sounds like the same kind of hash as from my other two feeds...

Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 18, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Yeah, and you got the same hum at both, so that means I'll send you TWO power supplies.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 21, 2013, 02:16:31 PM
Ron...two things:

#1 - CCC feeds sounds GREAT...nicely done with the fix!

#2 - What do you think about throwing 127.375 (ZBW-DNY24 HI) onto your JFK Feed #2? I have been listening more carefully in the past month or so, and time and time again, a lot of action occurs on this sector. My RKA feed covers the same area but FL280 and above. 127.37 covers FL180-270...incl many Lower JFK IGN9 arrivals, EWR SHAFF7 and LGA-RKA arrivals are descended and handed-off to this sector. Its the upstream hand-off on arrivals to 125.57 (IGN20) & 134.3. It'd be a great ground side to hear, but unfort, too many hills between my Dads house and the site...they transmit from Rockdale, NY... I can only hear it from my Dad's with an open squelch.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 21, 2013, 07:44:56 PM
Hey Jim,

I'm glad you like the way the CCC feeds sound.  But I don't know if you noticed, over the past couple of days the squelch on the CCC2 feed has been stuck open and I believe that was due in part to the 20dB TV amplifier I put in line to help make up for the splitter.  It seemed to work fine while I was here at my parents place, but not long after I left the squelch opened up and stayed open.  It would close occasionally but as soon as 134.0 lit up, it would stay open again.

So I got my Mom on the phone and had her turn the squelch up and she had to turn it up almost all the way before the squelch closed.  I then had her take out the amplifier and that solved the squelch problem but it brought back the tapping interference sound that could be heard on the CCC2 feed.  This sound was being caused whenever the CCC1 scanner was scanning.  The two radios are sitting one on top of the other.  It was an annoying chatter that was loud enough at times to drown out the 134.0 controller.

So here I am at my parents place.  I swapped out the CCC1 radio with another radio and that seems to have helped.  There's still some chatter in the background on the CCC2 feed but it's much better than it was.  I also put in a 10dB amplifier instead of the 20dB amp and it seems to be running fairly well now.

As far as 127.375 goes, yes it would be nice to have that in there.  I have started the ball rolling on splitting the two JFK feeds into four.  This will make it much easier to follow what is going on.  Each feed will have only three or four frequencies on it instead of the 10-12 that are on a single feed now.  Plus I'm considering putting in a feed at my brothers place.  He lives about an hour and a half north of NYC.  This would be a good place to run 127.375 from.  It's not close enough to hear the ground side, but aircraft reception would be excellent from there.  I could also put in 132.175 there.  Again no ground side from there but aircraft reception would also be very good from there.

A lot going on...If only there were more than 24 hours in a day  :-D

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 21, 2013, 08:00:15 PM
Now there's something I haven't seen before...two feeds operating off of one Raspberry Pi.  One feed goes down while the other stays up...I didn't think that was possible.  Recycled power to the Pi and both feeds are up again...go figure...
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 22, 2013, 12:33:32 PM
Ron...where does your brother live? 1.5 hrs N of NYC, huh...well..maybe can hear ground-side of 132.6? (Better than what we have out of POU)...or even 133.15 (depending on where he is). I have driven around the Catskill area along I 88 from Albany southwest to around Cobleskill/Cooperstown and all up-n-down I 81 Syracuse to Binghamton...can't pick up the ground-side of 127.37 at all. Maybe in the Oneonta area? Its a hilly area (Rockdale), so could be tough. I grew up upstate...but know no one in that area! 133.15 can be heard very well from N. NJ into/along I 84 west of Route 17...and 132.175 can be heard from Binghamton south to Wilkes-Barre, and to the I 380 corridor south if I 84 and East for about 20 miles from Scranton along I 84. All that said...hoping we can get 133.15 and Elk Mountain, Flint Hill, etc from Dave's Camelback plan!
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 22, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
My brother lives in Milton NY which is between Newburgh and New Paltz. I've checked before and I can hear the ground side of 132.6 from his place. So that freq would definitely be a target. Never tried for 133.15 tho.

I have property in Stamford NY but I can't hear 127.375 from there at all.

My other brother lives a few miles from KLGA, so that's another potential project. At the moment KLGA ground is not covered nor is NY Dep 118.175. Those two freqs are the target there.

Lots going on :)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: InterpreDemon on September 22, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
"Those two freqs are the target there. "

Plus ARINC 129.4, of course....
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on September 22, 2013, 09:20:40 PM
Milton...OK...should get 132.6. Doubt 133.15 unless he's up high. Worth a try though... 132.6 is currently covered by the feed near POU...its pretty weak though...maybe better from Milton.
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 22, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
Plus ARINC 129.4, of course....

Plus 129.4 of course  :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on September 22, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Milton...OK...should get 132.6. Doubt 133.15 unless he's up high. Worth a try though... 132.6 is currently covered by the feed near POU...its pretty weak though...maybe better from Milton.

If I can get an antenna outside at his place, 132.6 should do well. Now all I have to do is drive up there...
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on October 15, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
Hey all,

The JFK area feeds have been split from two to four. This should make it easier to follow what's going on...

You can see the list of frequencies on each feed by going here:

http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=zny

Enjoy!  :-)
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: andy whitmore on October 10, 2014, 09:19:21 AM
hi all fellow atc airband radio guys
andy here from England uk
yes I was lisening to new York area 2 and the freq I was intrested in north west new York traffic is 132.175
its a good freq to tune in as all the traffic from Europe going into Atlanta and Washington use it
as well as stuff going to from jfk to asia like the Korean cathay asiana etc
anyone know the next freq north west going over Niagara falls Toronto high level
I there in Niagara falls Toronto next week loking out for over flights
if anyone could help please email direct to me andy
whitmore21@btinternet.com
many thanks
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: RonR on October 10, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Flights going northwest bound typically get handed off from ZNY 132.175 to ZOB 119.375 or 120.625.  I hope this answers your question.

Ron
Title: Re: New ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) feed!
Post by: ferraraj on October 12, 2014, 01:24:17 PM
Actually...many of the Northwest bound flights OUT of JFK/EWR are often routed over CAM (near Albany NY) or over SYR. If they are on 132.175, then they would be more southern and perhaps over BUF or YYZ...but the international flights are usually more northerly. They route over GAYLE (N departure fix from NY Tracon). If they go the CAM route then the progression is after NY Approach: 132.6 (ZNY) -> 125.575 (Boston Center - no feed there) -> 135.325 -> 128.325 (Both covered by ZBW-CAM feed) -> 135.7/118.825 (MPV Feed) -> 134.4 (Montrael Center (No Feed)) then north...

IF routed over SYR, the radio route is: 132.6 -> 124.125 (Boston Center - RKA10 feed) -> 123.875 (Boston Center - UCA feed), then Toronto Center 134.57...or if slightly more westerly (ROC or BUF) they will overfly Cleveland Center for a bit (120.625) before heading into Toronto Center.

NorthEASTERLY Intl departures from NYC will go 134.0 -> 126.225 -> 133.45 or 134.95 then to Moncton Ctr. OR 135.8 -> 128.75 -> 133.45 -> Moncton. All these freqs have feeds.

Hope this helps...happy listening!