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Air Traffic Monitoring => Listener Forum => Topic started by: krull on July 10, 2007, 04:50:56 PM
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Web site mentioned multiple times in article on JFK issues.
Way to go Dave..., and everyone else..
Got some good pub.
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Here is a link to it:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-07-09-jfk-cover_N.htm?csp=34
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according to a recording of the conversation provided by LiveATC.net, a website for aviation professionals that monitors air-traffic communications.
The pilots of Delta Flight 133 from Athens, one of the jets that had been sent to the far side of JFK, radioed shortly after 5:30 p.m. to say the airline was holding taxiway "lima-alpha" open for them so they could reach the terminal. The controller replied that the taxiway was full of planes.
"If I had that answer, I'm in the wrong job," a controller responded, according to a recording of the conversation provided by LiveATC.net. "… I couldn't even begin to tell you."
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WTG everybody! Thanks Dave.
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Notice how the guys who don't work traffic keep looking to the heavens for answers to an overburdened, antiquated airport.
"Sturgell says JFK's problems won't be solved without new technologies the agency plans to introduce in coming decades, such as satellite-based navigation that will allow aircraft to safely fly closer together."
"Kelley, who now manages the FAA's effort to redesign flight corridors on the East Coast, says using modern technology such as highly accurate aircraft routes guided by satellite would help reduce delays at JFK and other area airports."
The guy who works the traffic can tell you what the problem is.
"Controller Barrett Byrnes, president of the local controllers union and one of those on duty in the tower that day, says the scene has become typical.
"It's not every night, but it's most nights," Byrnes says. "When you overburden an airport, as delays begin to happen, you are never able to recover from them. Once the delays start, it's over.""
Unless you can pour concrete from satellites to make more runways, taxiways, and ramp area for gates, then satellites are not the answer to JFK's problems.
Each airport has a limit. When airlines schedule too many aircraft at a particular airport at one time, then you will have delays, even on a perfect day. Just a small burp in the system has a rippling effect. Thunderstorms blow the whole thing away. Satellites won't fix that.
w0x0f
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If you could get them to take off and land in formation, that would double runway capacity... Where do I apply for a job?
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Unless you can pour concrete from satellites to make more runways, taxiways, and ramp area for gates, then satellites are not the answer to JFK's problems.
Additionally, satellites would somehow need to be able to counter the effects of wake turbulence.
Regards,
Robert
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With the future arrival of A380, what effect will this aircraft have on airport delays? Improvement or burden? What about separation during arrivals & time at a gate?
Kris K.
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With the future arrival of A380, what effect will this aircraft have on airport delays? Improvement or burden? What about separation during arrivals & time at a gate?
Kris K.
This is still a bit up for debate. The powers-that-be (Airbus, FAA, etc) still need to hammer out what the true separation standards need to be for this plane. Once that is done, then they can go about studying if it will help or hinder.
BL.
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With the future arrival of A380, what effect will this aircraft have on airport delays? Improvement or burden? What about separation during arrivals & time at a gate?
Kris K.
I think the only way it can truly help without other changes to the airport would be if several flights each hour were somehow replaced by a single A380 flight. More people, less planes. Less planes is the only immediate solution to most of their problems it would seem.