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CYYR - Thank you!
« on: September 23, 2017, 11:59:38 PM »
Mad props to whoever is hosting CYYR! Enjoying the increased coverage for Newfoundland, particularly Gander Center.

(On a related note, will it be possible in the future to actually host a feed at CYQX?)



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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2017, 10:41:01 AM »
Is there a possibility when the feed comes back up JUST FOR A TEMPORARY experiment say for a week that the addition of the far NORTHEAST sector of Moncton 118.875 and 132.525 be popped in there please

Will there as well be an addition of Gander St. Anthony sector of 134.3,133.0,128.6, and 124.725 to the site in the future too ?

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 01:20:54 PM »
Mad props to whoever is hosting CYYR! Enjoying the increased coverage for Newfoundland, particularly Gander Center.

(On a related note, will it be possible in the future to actually host a feed at CYQX?)

You're welcome. This is a LiveATC equipment deployment (thanks to a friend in Goose Bay and one friend who visits there) and we are working on a possible location for one in Gander which would help us pick up a bunch more Gander Center sectors.

Dave

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2017, 01:25:42 PM »
Is there a possibility when the feed comes back up JUST FOR A TEMPORARY experiment say for a week that the addition of the far NORTHEAST sector of Moncton 118.875 and 132.525 be popped in there please

Will there as well be an addition of Gander St. Anthony sector of 134.3,133.0,128.6, and 124.725 to the site in the future too ?

We have two spare receivers that can be programmed remotely but they may be used to separate out some of the sectors that transmit from Goose Bay (120.400, 127.675, 132.400, 133.425). The Gander Center setup is fairly complex to cover over a 24-hour period. But we have a single analog scanner for Gander Center and two programmable spares....so we'll figure out the best mix. Suggestions welcome but preference will always be given to sectors where the controller can be heard. At night, many sectors are combined through a repeater and you can hear both controller and pilots over a very wide area.

I'll check those frequencies you listed for activity. If they look promising then we will consider adding them...but if we can get a receiver closer to their transmitters that would be the preferred route, even though that may take time.



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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 07:54:57 AM »
The frequencies of 118.875 and 132.525 are from the Natashquan transmitter in QB.

So I guess if a suggested frequency from any of us if it doesn't have PILOT/CONTROLLER is basically off limits thus leaving alot of gaps in coverage in respective sectors.

By the way there are many feeds that have been out up here that dont have P/C interaction

Lastly for years I have pointed out inaccuracies in frequency listings on many feeds here and nothing has been done

90 % of my suggestions are always shot down FROM YOU DAVE and I am willing to compromise and not have frequencies perm. added to feeds but to have them on a TEMP. experiment time frame and that is always negated as well. A few times I have even went to feeder owners and they were more than happy to edit frequencies after you tell me no.

There are alot of holes in coverage on numerous ARTCC feeds that can be plugged up.

Please dont bring the donate a radio or money thing up because not all of us have the resources to do that as well as stay up all night to listen to a feed .

There are many on board here that I talk outside this forum and they say the same thing but dont want to rock the boat.

THE MAJORITY RULES here I see and the silent few have to remain that way .

How about the MAJORITY compromising at times as many of us that arent in the Majority have to do  ? Is that a foreign concept to the Majority ?

***KEEP REHASHING OLD FEEDS WHEN THEY COME BACK UP AS NEW FEEDS***






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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 08:07:13 AM »
Mike-

All I said was that preference would be given to feeds with pilot/controller reception. Not sure why you pulled that out of context.

LiveATC and its volunteers operate a large number of receivers with limited resources in some locations. Requests are not always possible to fulfill - we do our best, but I have realized over a long time now that that is not good enough for you. That's OK, I can live with that.

What I can't really understand is the level of animosity you portray.

And - old feeds portrayed as new feeds? That is not the case at all, Mike. Just because a new feed covers some of the same frequencies doesn't mean it is the same receiver - we have try to get redundancy where we can.

-Dave

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 03:10:05 PM »
Just tried to pull CYYR archives for the AF66 emergency landing. No luck. 1500z archive only has 1 minute of audio?!?

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 04:41:02 PM »
Will check...there could be some internet issues at the receiver site.

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 06:44:23 PM »
Try again.

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 12:39:46 PM »
Dave and for those interested,

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I'll check those frequencies you listed for activity. If they look promising then we will consider adding them...but if we can get a receiver closer to their transmitters that would be the preferred route, even though that may take time.

It will be great when you can get the low sectors isolated from the high sectors. Just as the NAT Tracks start heating up in the morning the low sectors can get very busy and block a lot of this high traffic on the feed. The other morning the low sector was so busy they actually split off the YYT arrivals, first time I've heard that. Makes it very hard to follow the NAT traffic, which I suspect is what most listeners on the feed want to hear ?

With the 3 high sectors frequencies on their own feed it will free up a lot of "air time". I generally agree it's better to just concentrate on controller frequencies only (when that's all you can cover). In this case however to help when following flights there may be some merit in adding the adjacent frequencies to catch the check ins. With the increasing use of CPDLC and less and less voice traffic the feeds probably will not be overloaded with these extra high frequencies ? 

If it helps at all I've attached a sector/frequency chart for the area with a 200nm range ring centered at Goose Bay (approximate reception range). Should have good coverage of traffic as they cross the northern Moncton sectors, note the new frequency 124.975 (confirmed in use) as well as 132.950 (not heard yet), as well as the internal Gander border with their new 121.375 frequency (confirmed in use).
 
For the last couple of days the westbound NAT Tracks have been running over DORRY and HOIST. With this NAT Track configuration it appears that traffic routing over DORRY then cleared direct TAFFY, which takes them right overhead Goose Bay stay on the Hopedale (HO) RCAG frequencies so are not being heard on the feed. Another reason to add the adjacent frequencies that are in range. Granted at other times these frequencies are being heard through cross-coupling, so you're not missing them all the time (depends on the NAT Track locations).

Better yet, ideally one feed with the 3 high frequencies on it and another separate feed with a scanner or SDR setup monitoring the multiple adjacent high frequencies would be the best solution. Given such a great location and good reception, if you could ever accommodate it I would be happy to donate a scanner or funds for this purpose. Understand if it's too much trouble.

There are also a few other new frequencies in the area. Gander now lists 125.750 as a high sector frequency located at Goose Bay (YYR), as well as 119.700 at Wabush (YWK) and 135.250 at St. Anthony (YAY) and 124.050 at Allens Island. I've not heard these used yet, suspect they might be spare ? Anyone heard them in use ? Also the old Hopedale high frequency 135.400 has been moved to the low sectors and replaced with 125.375 (not heard in use yet).

So far at times I've heard the Goose Bay frequencies linked up with the Hopedale (HO), St. Anthony (YAY), Gander (YQX), and Trepessey (St. John's) frequencies, varies with the NAT Track configurations. But so far never with the far northern ones up in Saglek or Brevoort.

Great feed, thanks for setting it up !!

(Gander Frequency Chart attached below, need to be logged into forum to access it)

JS

   

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Re: CYYR - Thank you!
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 07:43:42 PM »
Mad props to whoever is hosting CYYR! Enjoying the increased coverage for Newfoundland, particularly Gander Center.

(On a related note, will it be possible in the future to actually host a feed at CYQX?)

More than glad to help out!  I'd been thinking about doing this for a while, but just got around to getting everything setup a couple of weeks ago, thanks in big part to Dave!

We were only set up for 10 days when we captured the AF66 audio!


Chris
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