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Title: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 18, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
Hello all,

I am in the process of splitting the KDEN feed in the hopes of making it easier to listen to. The second feed is actually up and running with CLNC DEL / GND / TWR and I will be revising the original feed to carry just APP/DEP 24/7and ZDV (overnight).

Thanks to those of you listening and I hope this will make it more enjoyable for you! :-D
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: Chananya Freedman on October 18, 2011, 03:06:20 PM
Some of us put these feeds into our iTunes.  Can you let us know when the complete switch over is finished so that we could add the new feed to our list? Thank you.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 18, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Yep - will do.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 19, 2011, 02:43:16 AM
OK - First feed is now reconfigured for App/Dep only and ZDV (0400z-1400z)
Second feed is Clnc/Gnd/Twr

Here's what you'll be hearing from ZDV/Common:

126.725 - S3 Hi Meeker
135.125 - S4 Hi Grand Junction
132.850 - S5 Hi Kremmling
128.650 - S6 Lo Denver (W)
133.950 - S7 Lo Denver (E)
127.025 - S8 Hi Hayes Center
125.350 - S12 Lo Gunnison
126.500 - S13 Lo Denver (NW)
128.325 - S14 Hi Hayden
125.950 - S15 Lo Denver (NE)
127.650 - S17 Hi Hill City
132.175 - S18 U-Hi Hill City
125.900 - S21 Lo Cheyenne
133.525 - S25 Hi Blue Mesa
119.850 - S26 Lo Denver (SW)
132.225 - S29 Hi Pueblo
135.400 - S30 U-Hi Pueblo
134.575 - S33 Hi Scottsbluff
133.175 - S34 Hi Medicine Bow
135.025 - S35 Hi Crawford
125.675 - S37 Hi Farmington
133.425 - S38 U-Hi Farmington
127.525 - S39 U-Hi Lamar
128.375 - S41 Lo Pueblo
134.975 - S46 U-Hi Pueblo
126.875 - S61 Hi Denver
127.075 - S65 U-Hi Blue Mesa
121.500 - VHF Guard
122.000 - Flight Watch
122.750 - Fixed wing air to air
123.025 - Rotary wing air to air
123.450 - Unofficial air to air
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: JetScan1 on October 19, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
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134.975 - S46 U-Hi Pueblo

I believe 134.975 has been changed to 124.775.

FYI other High Altitude Sectors that are in range of DEN that are not on your list.

126.325 - S9
120.575 - S16
134.125 - S28, FL270-FL330
124.225 - S67

Looking forward to listening to the feed.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 19, 2011, 09:07:33 AM
Thank you - I have made the change for Sector 46 Ultra-Hi Pueblo.

As for the others, I have only put those freqs in the list that I have logged in the past, and the ones you listed below have never been logged from here in full scans of 118-137.
I can certainly add them to another scanner to see if that changes in the future.

Thanks again for the input!
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 19, 2011, 09:23:27 AM
FYI to all - it appears we are having an issue with Oddcast here as both feeds are carrying the same audio (Odd cast only recognizing one "USB Headphone Set"?) even though there are two unique inputs.
Will get it fixed as soon as we figure out why...
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: JetScan1 on October 19, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
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I can certainly add them to another scanner to see if that changes in the future.

I keep a database of ARTCC sector frequencies and sector configurations. It would be interesting to listen to different ZDV center frequencies and configurations from time to time, just to confirm frequency and sector configuration. During normal hours scanning all frequencies would be too much, but I was wondering if there was a way to maybe set different configurations up from time to time, this would only be for a short period like a day or so on each configuration.

Configurations I would be interested in checking out:

1) High Altitude South

124.775
135.400
132.225
127.525
134.125

2) High Altitude East

126.875
133.950
132.175
127.650
124.225
127.025

3) High Altitude North-Northeast

133.175
134.575
120.575
126.325

Again I would only need to listen to each configuration for a day, just to confirm frequency and sector configurations. If your reception range is good I'd be happy to donate funds for a third radio dedicated to enroute ARTCC. PM if you are interested.

DJ
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 19, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
FYI to all - it appears we are having an issue with Oddcast here as both feeds are carrying the same audio (Odd cast only recognizing one "USB Headphone Set"?) even though there are two unique inputs.
Will get it fixed as soon as we figure out why...

Problem resolved.
Everytime I have an issue with USB on a Windows O/S, I can't help but remember the CES where Bill Gates was showing the audience how well they integrate with USB (a flatbed scanner, I think) and he plugged the USB in and everyone got to see a giant version of the BSOD  :roll:
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: Chananya Freedman on October 19, 2011, 04:51:48 PM
What problem was solved? I don't understand what happened. If you prefer you can PM me to let me know what happened.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: Chananya Freedman on October 24, 2011, 04:40:30 PM
I'd like to confirm that all the changes have been completed.  Thank you.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: dave on October 24, 2011, 06:16:43 PM
Everything has been completed.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on October 25, 2011, 10:05:21 PM
Is that UTC 0400 in Eastern or Mountain time ?
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 25, 2011, 11:45:50 PM
Is that UTC 0400 in Eastern or Mountain time ?

hehehehehe...Fresno time.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on October 26, 2011, 08:16:40 AM
seriously what time is it EST or MOUNTAIN ?  I was listening last night past midnight to 2 am here on the east coast and didnt hear center at all .
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: NoMad on October 26, 2011, 10:09:27 AM
Wouldn't putting clearance on the same scanner as ground and tower just result in hearing a lot of babble from clearance and not a lot of tower and ground?  I really question what the point of a clearance feed is at all to begin with, but it seems like combining it with something else will just result in never hearing anything else.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 26, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
seriously what time is it EST or MOUNTAIN ?  I was listening last night past midnight to 2 am here on the east coast and didnt hear center at all .

0400z = 2200 MT or 0000 ET currently

Now, it does appear the OddCast issue I reported earlier in this thread is happening on a nightly basis now. That being that "Feed 1" (App/Dep/ZDV) stops listening to USB device 1 and instead listens to USB device 2 (TWR/GND). Is that what you heard on the App/Dep/ZDV Feed last night?
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 26, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
Wouldn't put clearance on the same scanner as ground and tower just result in hearing a lot of babble and not a lot of tower and ground?  I really question what the point of a clearance feed is at all to begin with, but it seems like combining it with something else will just result in never hearing anything else.

Not being an aviation expert (more of an enthusiast), I am always open to suggestion. That being said, if folks here want Clearance Delivery taken off, then off it goes.

What say you all?
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on October 26, 2011, 12:42:54 PM
Im down with eliminating clearance et. al.  I was hoping if you would consider putting the center frequencies in maybe 1 or 2 hours earlier for those of us on the East Side. Also if you get that other radio through AIRSCAN that one would be nice to dedicate to the center frequencies and alternate as he indicated.

Thanks
Mike
Boytnon Beach FL
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on October 26, 2011, 12:44:16 PM
ph by the way answer to your question no i was hearing app/dep at that time but center was not heard at all . i fell asleep with the headphones on connected to my cell phone around 2:30 this morning . :lol:
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 26, 2011, 12:58:37 PM
Im down with eliminating clearance et. al.
Duly noted...I'll wait for a couple others to chime in as well...


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I was hoping if you would consider putting the center frequencies in maybe 1 or 2 hours earlier for those of us on the East Side.
I'm not opposed to this - easy enough to do...

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Also if you get that other radio through AIRSCAN that one would be nice to dedicate to the center frequencies and alternate as he indicated.
At this time, until we can resolve the issue with the misdirected audio across multiple USB devices, I am not ready to consider this yet...

Thanks Mike,

Mike
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 26, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
ph by the way answer to your question no i was hearing app/dep at that time but center was not heard at all . i fell asleep with the headphones on connected to my cell phone around 2:30 this morning . :lol:

I will be the first to admit that other than the TX sites at Denver, Longmont and sometimes Brush, I usually can't hear the ground side of Denver Center comms. However, I do hear pilots checking in passing into Sectors inside of CO above FL 330 routinely...
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: NoMad on October 26, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
What is the reason for the center freq being on a schedule?
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 26, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
What is the reason for the center freq being on a schedule?

The feed is airport-centric, ZDV is filler overnight.
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: JetScan1 on October 26, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
My vote would be to remove Clearance Delivery as well. Given the volume of traffic at DEN I would also remove Ground too and just monitor the Tower frequencies only. Thanks for setting up the feed and for considering the feedback from listeners !
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 27, 2011, 01:07:51 PM
My vote would be to remove Clearance Delivery as well. Given the volume of traffic at DEN I would also remove Ground too and just monitor the Tower frequencies only. Thanks for setting up the feed and for considering the feedback from listeners !

CLNC DEL will no longer be scanned.
GND will stay, as I feel it gives a more complete picture of the overall ops at KDEN. Having said that, if I start a 3rd, and God help me, a 4th feed, I may move GND off to one of those in the future...

I appreciate everyone's input - glad I can contribute here!
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 27, 2011, 01:10:03 PM
I was hoping if you would consider putting the center frequencies in maybe 1 or 2 hours earlier for those of us on the East Side.

Thanks
Mike
Boytnon Beach FL

Mike - I brought ZDV online at 9MT (11ET) last night...better?
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: JetScan1 on October 27, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
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I brought ZDV online at 9MT (11ET) last night

Just out of curiosity, how are you switching radio confirguration at a given time like this ? Is this done automatically through some sort of software where you can program frequency banks corresponding to a time ?

Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on October 27, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
Sounded good last night Mike. Fell asleep to the sounds of ATC . I was wondering if you could program 120.575 in there . I enjoyed the extra time listening this morning.
I too am trying to compile what JETSCAN 1 is doing down here . I consider it somewhat a homework assignment.

Mike
Boynton Beach FL
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 27, 2011, 03:11:24 PM
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I brought ZDV online at 9MT (11ET) last night

Just out of curiosity, how are you switching radio confirguration at a given time like this ? Is this done automatically through some sort of software where you can program frequency banks corresponding to a time ?



I use Finger v1.43  :wink:
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 27, 2011, 03:30:04 PM
FYI other High Altitude Sectors that are in range of DEN that are not on your list.

126.325 - S9
120.575 - S16
134.125 - S28, FL270-FL330
124.225 - S67

Looking forward to listening to the feed.

I'll add these now...thanks!
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on October 27, 2011, 03:40:55 PM
I was wondering if you could program 120.575 in there .

Done - along with the other three JetScan suggested (that I missed until I printed out the current sectionals. Doh!)
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: MIAMIATC on November 01, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Would it be too much if I ask that Wednesday and Thursday you could leave the Center feeds on so I can do some research for my project ? These are the only 2 days I have free to stay home and listen in .
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on November 01, 2011, 11:46:48 AM
Again I would only need to listen to each configuration for a day, just to confirm frequency and sector configurations. If your reception range is good I'd be happy to donate funds for a third radio dedicated to enroute ARTCC. PM if you are interested.

DJ

PM sent
Title: Re: KDEN feed changes
Post by: datainmotion on November 01, 2011, 11:47:29 AM
Would it be too much if I ask that Wednesday and Thursday you could leave the Center feeds on so I can do some research for my project ? These are the only 2 days I have free to stay home and listen in .

PM sent