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Offline JetScan1

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JFK Approach/Departure ?
« on: June 04, 2005, 12:56:40 PM »
The following frequencies are listed as being scanned on the JFK Approach/Departure feed:

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NY Approach:
127.4,109.5,118.4,123.7,126.8,132.4,134.35
NY Departure: 135.9,123.7,124.75,134.35


Can anyone familiar with this radio tell me what frequencies are actually being scanned ? For example 109.50 is listed but this is not even a voice frequency, 124.750 is listed but doesn't appear to be active in the scanner ? 127.400 Approach and 135.900 Departure are there for sure, but what about the other ones ?

Just trying to update my database. Can anyone familiar with the New York TRACON give me a brief description of what frequency is used for what sector/area etc. ? Or a website with sector maps ?

This is what I have for departures:

Initial Departure Frequency

LGA - 120.400
EWR - 119.200
JFK - 135.900/134.350/118.400

Next Departure Frequency

118.175 - via GAYLE,NEION,COATE
120.850 - via ELIOT,PARKE,LANNA,BIGGY
126.800 - via GREKI,MERIT
124.750 - via WHITE,RBV(JFK only)
128.300 - via WAVEY,SHIPP

Next Frequency (enroute ARTCC)

132.600 - via GAYLE,NEION,COATE
132.100 - via ELIOT,PARKE
134.600 - via LANNA,BIGGY
118.975 - via WHITE
135.800 - via BETTE,HAPIE
134.300 - via GREKI,MERIT

For example a departure off LGA routed via NEION would use 120.40 -> 118.175 -> 132.600. Any corrections or updates appreciated.

Thanks

DJ



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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2005, 01:14:02 PM »
Here's what I know of the freqs:
127.4 - (JFK) CAMRN Sector
118.4 - (JFK) ROBER Satalite Sector
126.8 - 126.8 is Liberty Dep. East (LBE) also on my feed

135.9 - JFK Departure
124.75 - Liberty South (LBS) Departure

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2005, 01:36:54 PM »
These are the ones being scanned.  We reviewed them the other day when making the JFK changes.

135.9 - Departure
125.7 - ROBER Sector
132.4 - JFK Final
127.4 - CAMRN Sector
118.4 - ROBER Satellite Sector
123.7 - Approach (unsure of sector)
124.75 - Liberty South (Locked out due to interference)
134.35 - Approach (unsure of sector)
126.8 - Liberty East

The 109.5 has been removed from the listing...it was a copy-and-paste from the airnav.com listing for JFK.  It was listed as 109.5T which is probably connected to the JFK VOR and relayed to the TRACON.  Anyway, it was never programmed in the scanner.

If there are any corrections or additions for the radio let me know and I will work with the maintainer to get them in.

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2005, 01:42:06 PM »
the GREKI/MERIT 126.8 sector get's handed off to 125.575/134.0 depending if the Route is overseas via BOS/ENE they will be handed off to 133.425/127.825 from 134.0 and if they are going North toward ALB they will be handed off from 134.0 to 125.575(then to 135.325-128.325-135.7). The 133.425/127,825 route they will be handed off to either 134.95(ENE) AND 127.825(BOS) routings

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2005, 02:17:08 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.

Can anyone give me the freqs used on the following routes/STARS into JFK too ?

ALB.IGN.IGN7
JHW.J70.LVZ.LENDY5
ORF.J121.SIE.CAMRN4
CHAMP.A300.OWENZ.CAMRN4
PLYMM.PLYMM4.KJFK

Descending via PLYMM4 they are on Boston 135.800 then what New York Approach freq. is usually used after that ? 118.400 I guess ?

Descending via ALB.IGN.IGN7 I think they use Boston 125.575 to New York 132.600 then Approach ? Is this correct and what approach freq is normally used from this direction ?

What freqs are used via LVZ.LENDY5 ?

What freqs are used on the CAMRN4 ?

And only a suggestion, if 126.800 is being scanned on the Bridegeport radio as well, would it be better to remove it from the JFK Approach radio to avoid congestion ? I note reception on 126.800 is very poor on the JFK approach radio anyway.

Ideally it would be better to split departures from arrivals, but you really need another radio to do this, which I'd be happy to donate if there is an interest.

DJ

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2005, 02:53:47 PM »
I would love to see App. and dep. split...and am also prepared to make a contribution  :)  towards another sannner    M50 Dublin

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2005, 03:07:29 PM »
Quote from: JetScan1
Thanks for the info guys.

Can anyone give me the freqs used on the following routes/STARS into JFK too ?

ALB.IGN.IGN7
JHW.J70.LVZ.LENDY5
ORF.J121.SIE.CAMRN4
CHAMP.A300.OWENZ.CAMRN4
PLYMM.PLYMM4.KJFK

Descending via PLYMM4 they are on Boston 135.800 then what New York Approach freq. is usually used after that ? 118.400 I guess ?

Descending via ALB.IGN.IGN7 I think they use Boston 125.575 to New York 132.600 then Approach ? Is this correct and what approach freq is normally used from this direction ?

What freqs are used via LVZ.LENDY5 ?

What freqs are used on the CAMRN4 ?

And only a suggestion, if 126.800 is being scanned on the Bridegeport radio as well, would it be better to remove it from the JFK Approach radio to avoid congestion ? I note reception on 126.800 is very poor on the JFK approach radio anyway.

Ideally it would be better to split departures from arrivals, but you really need another radio to do this, which I'd be happy to donate if there is an interest.

DJ


Well 126.8 on my feed is not the best reception either, but I should have a new antenna within the next few weeks...Which will greatly improvement.  

On the IGN7 125.575 is high altitude ZBW sector (IGN25) and they hand off the a/c at the IGN VOR FL200/220 to NY Center 132.10  The rest of the STARs into JFK handoff to 127.40

On the PLYMM4, they are on Boston 132.30 I believe, the SARDI 32 is farther south than Hampton (HTO) and they hand off to 127.4 at 10 east of CCC VOR.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2005, 06:47:39 PM »
Quote from: JetScan1
Thanks for the info guys.

Can anyone give me the freqs used on the following routes/STARS into JFK too ?

ALB.IGN.IGN7
JHW.J70.LVZ.LENDY5
ORF.J121.SIE.CAMRN4
CHAMP.A300.OWENZ.CAMRN4
PLYMM.PLYMM4.KJFK

Descending via PLYMM4 they are on Boston 135.800 then what New York Approach freq. is usually used after that ? 118.400 I guess ?

Descending via ALB.IGN.IGN7 I think they use Boston 125.575 to New York 132.600 then Approach ? Is this correct and what approach freq is normally used from this direction ?

What freqs are used via LVZ.LENDY5 ?

What freqs are used on the CAMRN4 ?

DJ


IGN7/ LENDY5 - ZNY SAX36 133.15

IGN7 - ROBER 125.7
ENE4 - ROBER 125.7
PLYMM4 - ROBER 125.7
LENDY5 - CAMRN 127.4
CAMRN4 - CAMRN 127.4
PWL2 Props - 133.1

Those are the two feeders 127.4 for South, and 125.7 for North. Then 132.7 runs Final. Im sure somedays, especially at night I've heard them split the final.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2005, 07:24:02 PM »
On The JHW LENDY STAR They are first at CLE ARTCC at 132.925/134.125,super high and high respectively then handed off to NY ARTCC on 132.175/121.325 depending oon density of traff most likely on 121.325 during the busy hours.Up from ORF they are usually from 132.225-133.825-128.525-133.125-118.975 from J209 TO ORF south of ORF from ISO They come up from WASH ARTCC 118.475/118.825 super high and high respectively then get handed off to 133.825 high and 127.425 super high then to 133.125 then to NY ARTCC on 118.975

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2005, 09:18:22 PM »
Thanks again for the info.

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On the PLYMM4, they are on Boston 132.30 I believe, the SARDI 32 is farther south than Hampton (HTO) and they hand off to 127.4 at 10 east of CCC VOR.


I was listening to Boston 127.825 earlier and they were handing off JFK arrivals to Boston on 135.800 in the afternoon. Maybe they combine 132.300/135.800 when it's slow ? According to my Boston charts the SARDI 32 sector airspace does include the PLYMM4 route.

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Those are the two feeders 127.4 for South, and 125.7 for North. Then 132.7 runs Final. Im sure somedays, especially at night I've heard them split the final.


Okay thanks, that's what I was wondering. 125.700 is not being scanned on the approach feed, I thought something was missing.

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On The JHW LENDY STAR They are first at CLE ARTCC at 132.925/134.125,super high and high respectively then handed off to NY ARTCC on 132.175/121.325 depending oon density of traff most likely on 121.325 during the busy hours.Up from ORF they are usually from 132.225-133.825-128.525-133.125-118.975 from J209 TO ORF south of ORF from ISO They come up from WASH ARTCC 118.475/118.825 super high and high respectively then get handed off to 133.825 high and 127.425 super high then to 133.125 then to NY ARTCC on 118.975


Thanks, sorry I should have been clearer, I'm familiar with the high altitude frequencies, it was the low altitude and Tracon that I was wondering about. So on the LENDY STAR after 132.175/121.325 it's to 133.150 then approach on 127.400, right ?

DJ

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2005, 09:40:17 PM »
yes and again in slow times they get handed off to 132.6 from 121.325 west of HARTY INT.Then when the LGA AND EWR NW push get's underway the are handed off to 133.15 instead and 132.6 becomes the NW EWR and LGA  rush. JFK feeds onto 127.4 from LENDY(OVER MY HOUSE) And near CAMRN. 125.7 is from the PLYMM AND FRILL STAR from 135.8. There are 2 final's that I hear on 132.4 and 118.4 before handed off to tower.Either 125.875 or 125.25 is Class B. Ok hold on PLYMM comes in from 135.8 from133.45/128.75 and the ENE arrival comes on 135.8 from 127.825

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2005, 10:10:41 PM »
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yes and again in slow times they get handed off to 132.6 from 121.325 west of HARTY INT.Then when the LGA AND EWR NW push get's underway the are handed off to 133.15 instead and 132.6 becomes the NW EWR and LGA rush.


Great thanks, that's what I was wondering, which would explain why I've heard handoffs from Boston to both 133.150/132.600 inbound on the IGN7. So I would suspect JFK arrivals via the IGN7 usually feed to 127.400 and not 125.700 (which is listed on the approach plate) ?

While I've got you, if it's not too much trouble, what about LGA/EWR arrivals via MIP3/KORRY3/FQM3/DYLIN2 ? Just the low altitude and approach freqs.

And any idea what/when Tracon uses 123.700 and 134.350 for ?

DJ

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2005, 11:19:19 PM »
Daytime:
MIP3 - ZNY BWZ34 133.5 - N90 LGA EMPYR 127.3

KORRY3 - ZDC OOD19 127.7* - N90 LGA EMPYR 127.3

FQM1 - ZNY ZBW34 133.5 - N90 EWR North Arrival 120.15 for rwy 22's, Robbinsville 128.55 for 4's.

DYLIN2 - ZDC DQO18 132.525 - N90 EWR Robbinsville 128.55


Nightime:
MIP3 - ZNY PTW92 124.62 - N90 LGA HAARP 120.8

FQM1 - ZNY PTW92 124.62 - N90 EWR Robbinsville 128.55

Usually at night HAARP 120.8 runs all feeders for LGA

* Denotes that I'm not so sure that's correct.

As for 134.35 and 123.7 I was listening today and heard nothing. I'll let ya know if I hear something.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2005, 12:13:38 AM »
KORRY is from 127.3-125.45-132.275(when busy) when not 132.275 is combined w/126.875 which also feeds PHL to 134.5 at OTT(240) then 132.05-126.6at TERRI INT. AT NIGHT THE lendy arr IS HANDLES WITH ALL OTHER jfk arr on 125.7 till about 11 am

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2005, 09:35:50 AM »
Thanks again,

The current approach plate for the MIP3 shows New York Approach as 125.850. Is this an old frequency, is it still used elsewhere ? Sorry for all the questions, it's just hard to get accurate info off the plates or the Air Nav site.

DJ

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2005, 03:15:42 PM »
I havent heard 125.85 used other than as a backup to LGA and EWR and this was like maybe 2 years ago. I was listening to final for EWR 4R approach on 125.5(strange ) the other day

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2005, 03:51:22 PM »
Oh Mike you heard them use 125.5, They were using that freq for the 4's last time I was up there. Back on like Feb 2nd I was flying with a friend, and we had to pass under the 4R final approach and they were using that freq. I thought it was real odd. Nicest N90 controller I had heard though, he has about 8 guys lined on final all night. And he let us mosey right on under his approach :)

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2005, 05:14:03 PM »
There were revisions made to the following arrivals into JFK:

PAWLING2/PLYMOUTH4 Chart
CAMRN4/KENNEBUNK4 Chart

I have to see what the revisions are, my grandfather gives me the charts that he usually throws out when the new revisons come in, meaning since I got those 2 charts, those charts were revised...I'll find out soon..

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2005, 11:29:44 AM »
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I havent heard 125.85 used other than as a backup to LGA and EWR and this was like maybe 2 years ago.


Thanks. The current approach plate is wrong then.

DJ

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2012, 03:01:59 PM »
These are the ones being scanned.  We reviewed them the other day when making the JFK changes.

135.9 - Departure
125.7 - ROBER Sector
132.4 - JFK Final
127.4 - CAMRN Sector
118.4 - ROBER Satellite Sector
123.7 - Approach (unsure of sector)
124.75 - Liberty South (Locked out due to interference)
134.35 - Approach (unsure of sector)
126.8 - Liberty East

The 109.5 has been removed from the listing...it was a copy-and-paste from the airnav.com listing for JFK.  It was listed as 109.5T which is probably connected to the JFK VOR and relayed to the TRACON.  Anyway, it was never programmed in the scanner.

If there are any corrections or additions for the radio let me know and I will work with the maintainer to get them in.

Dave

Dave, which feed is this on LiveATC app and Web Page? I can't find it (doh!) It would be ideal for me while spotting :-)

Thank you...

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2012, 03:03:40 PM »
They are all on separate feeds...and each is labeled as to what it is.  There isn't a single feed with all of them on there...that would be unlistenable.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2012, 04:28:12 PM »
Ah ok :-) From the way it is written it seemed they were in a scan bank  :-P

In any case, thanks... as always!