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Offline kaposznyak

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IFR pickup standard phraseology
« on: September 21, 2018, 03:46:34 PM »
Hi guys.

My question is Europe-related.

So flying VFR, in uncontrolled airspace (Class F) with a Z-type flight plan (first VFR, later at a given point IFR) what is the standard phraseology for changing to IFR?

"Request IFR pickup?"

And most importantly what would be the answer from the flight information officer? Clearly not a clearence...

Cannot find any official source for this situation. And I am a flight information officer :-D

Thanks in advance!



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Re: IFR pickup standard phraseology
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 06:39:12 AM »
Hi there,

It is so simple.

-Aicraft: "At [waypoint], request change to IFR."
-ATC: "VFR cancelled at [time] zulu, [IFR instructions may follow such as vectors or altitudes]"

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Re: IFR pickup standard phraseology
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 07:11:35 AM »
Thank you.

That is what I have said. Vfr cancelled at..., continue on flight plan route. There was no indication of altitude change.

But the pilot--who is a B747 captain, when working--was not satisfied.

I know he is used to hear full IFR clearences and my short answer seemed odd to him. I tried to find an official phraseology example, but was unable to find any.

Now neithet of us can prove the other wrong :?

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Re: IFR pickup standard phraseology
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 09:37:31 AM »
Hi,

I am a pilot from Spain and never heard of a standard phraseology for a FP rule change and we've made a few since our main base is an uncontrolled VFR-only airfield. In the US you may receive a full IFR clearance when picking it up airborne "VFR cancelled. You're cleared to the whatever airport via radar vectors. Proceed direct waypoint, maintain FLxxx"

But not in Europe. Not that I know of.

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Re: IFR pickup standard phraseology
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2018, 09:45:01 AM »
Thanks!