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Air Traffic Monitoring => Listener Forum => Topic started by: J. White on October 12, 2005, 05:31:33 PM
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Hello all,
This site is just great for filling in all of the details on any commercial or IFR flight arriving or departing any airport. You can also see the aircraft's recent flight log and there are many different ways to sort your searches.
Enjoy!
http://flightaware.com/
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This website is very good ... Where did you find this site at?
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Great site thanks! Vary user friendly.
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i hate to burst everyones bubble on this tracker but ther is no zoom in on map feature and the list of arr/dep's of each airport is only limited to one page and true the flight routes are excellent and the addition of gen aviation and private business jets are cool but overall i wouldnt say this is a great site. If I want a zoom feature I use fboweb.com
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Nevertheless, this is a really good site.
If you know your airspace and can span out enough, crossing this with Passur and liveatc is really cool. Especially with those Janet flights to Tonopah and Indian Springs!
BL.
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Nice site! Is there a live map? Being able to zoom in would be nice.
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Unfortunately, for the time being, the map is small and unzoomable. However, the site is new, and the administrators promise to offer a much better map in the future, while remaining to offer the service free of charge. Sounds like a win win situation to me.... :D
Isaac
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Especially with those Janet flights to Tonopah and Indian Springs!
If I remember correctly..Janet is the governments airline that doesnt exist, right?
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Janet's Exist. Even ATC and FAA acknowledge them. But where do they go once airborne? They all have different flightplans but all end up in the same place....I always hear Janet on my scanner here in Vegas, and I hear them on Nellis APP as they pass the Ranges some times.
For more on Janet and Pictures Check out below.
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/index.html
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Janet's Exist. Even ATC and FAA acknowledge them. But where do they go once airborne? They all have different flightplans but all end up in the same place....I always hear Janet on my scanner here in Vegas, and I hear them on Nellis APP as they pass the Ranges some times.
For more on Janet and Pictures Check out below.
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/index.html
I hear them as well when I'm at my other office (read: settee area adjacent to 25L/R at KLAS). From driving up/down US95 and down to SoCAL, I tend to see the planes landing at KINS, KTNX, KPMD, and KBUR. I've heard of them landing at KVNY, but I'm not sure on that one. I also see them landing at KOMA and KOFF, which was something I really didn't expect to see.
BL.
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I know they physically exist, but I also know that the employess etc dont talk about it. I once saw a show about area 51, where some idiot followed a JANET pilot back to his home. The guy slamme the door in the idiots face and wouldnt talk about JANET. Of course, JANET flys Area 51 employees into work every day from Vegas.
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Also if you are that enthused (trust me there out there) about JANET flights you can take pictures of them on PUBLIC streets only. I have personally seen guys go onto McCarran prperty right outside the Restricted gate and shoot photos and within 30 -90 seconds TSA is there with Metro. They all give up and go home. 1 day one did not and he was handcuffed and most likely only escorted off of the premises. And the Helicopter(s) for security come from nellis. They have some housed at Groom and Indian and Fallon. But when I worked at 66Th rescue Squadron we serviced a bird twice a week night shift all black no marking and no tail number. (Pavehawk) Blackhawk Variant. It was one of those, you don't ask question, just do what you are told.
Back on SUBJECT the best liveflight tracker I have seen is through AirNav. http://www.airnavsystems.com/anlv/ Even shows Janets and all those darn annoying Helicopter tour company's to and from Grand Canyon
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Speak of the devil..... :wink: this is a JANET....
Aircraft Boeing 737-200 (twin-jet) [B73Q/A]
Origin Mc Carran Int'l [KLAS]
Destination Tonopah Test Range [KTNX]
Route FIDOE LAS294052 BTY060030
Date Friday, Oct 14, 2005
Duration 11 minutes
Status Arrived!
Proposed/Assigned Actual/Estimated
Departure 01:00PM 01:07PM
Arrival 01:25PM 01:18PM
Groundspeed 420 kts
Altitude 14000 feet
Activity Log
Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
14-Oct-2005 B73Q/A Mc Carran Int'l [KLAS] Tonopah Test Range [KTNX] 01:07PM 01:18PM 0:11
13-Oct-2005 B73Q/A Mc Carran Int'l [KLAS] Tonopah Test Range [KTNX] 01:06PM 01:16PM 0:10
12-Oct-2005 B73Q/A Mc Carran Int'l [KLAS] Tonopah Test Range [KTNX] 01:06PM 01:15PM 0:09
11-Oct-2005 B73Q/A Mc Carran Int'l [KLAS] Tonopah Test Range [KTNX] 01:17PM 01:27PM 0:10
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Those are all great sites. Here's one I look at quite often:
Flytecomm (http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight)
KP
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Great website! I will be spending hours on it now. Thanks!
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I honestly wonder how accurate these sites really are. I was listening in on the feed a few weeks ago, and checked their status. According to the site they landed on time at xx:xx... but, according to the feeds, that time came and gone and they were still in the air (not due to land probably for another 10 minutes or so).
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Yeah, Sometimes it is off like it might just takeoff but its status is arrived, but in philly its fairly accurate. I've tracked many flights into philly and its really fun. Hey waht can you do sometimes? Its a Cool sight though.
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I'm guessing it has to do with the flight plan? ...if the controllers amend it and the server picks it up, then it'll pick it up? The question is though - is it getting the data from the flight plans, or from "FAA-radar" as they claim?
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I honestly wonder how accurate these sites really are. I was listening in on the feed a few weeks ago, and checked their status. According to the site they landed on time at xx:xx... but, according to the feeds, that time came and gone and they were still in the air (not due to land probably for another 10 minutes or so).
Most of the flight tracking sites I have played with have a delay built in for security reasons. :-( I know of one that was 20 minutes.
--greg.
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Most of the flight tracking sites I have played with have a delay built in for security reasons. :-( I know of one that was 20 minutes.
The web authors of FlightAware have admitted in their site's forum that they impose at least a five minute delay for security reasons.
While that site may not match up with LiveATC's feeds due to this delay, it is still quite useful and practical for anyone following a specific flight. Let's put it this way: A five minute delay of displayed flight status will not at all affect one's decision to leave for the airport. If you live that close, you can look outside! :-)
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I did follow a Southwest flight into Philly from listening to the ATC feed and it was right on the dot. Its a good sight though and I tell my friends to give me the flight number and track them.
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gfw123
hey, what airport are you at cuase I used to live near arlington and an airport in snowhomish in the vally. I was born in Everett and I loved it there but what ca you do? My dad used to take me there alot. see ya
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gfw123
hey, what airport are you at cuase I used to live near arlington and an airport in snowhomish in the vally. I was born in Everett and I loved it there but what ca you do? My dad used to take me there alot. see ya
I fly at KBFI, I live in Queen Anne (downtown Seattle). It is about 5 miles north of KBFI and a little farther North of SeaTac(KSEA).
I listen to KSEA over the internet here at work (BellTown, even more 'downtown' seattle). At home I got a new scanner and I listen to the KBFI stuff there.
--greg.
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Most of the flight tracking sites I have played with have a delay built in for security reasons. :-( I know of one that was 20 minutes.
The web authors of FlightAware have admitted in their site's forum that they impose at least a five minute delay for security reasons.
The data comes directly from the FAA, and believe it or not, it's entirely free. It is technically delayed, but not quite as much as you might think. Moreover, a live feed which is almost truly live (minus propagation delays) is also available to certain users.
A lot could be done with that stream, as well as ACARs data, but it would require the talent of some good programmers as well as some serious funds!
--Sean
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Hello all,
This site is just great for filling in all of the details on any commercial or IFR flight arriving or departing any airport.
Enjoy!
http://flightaware.com/
Not quite.
flightaware doesn't cover my country (Australia) at all. But there's still hope that it will be almost truely global one day. Just like the internet.
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gfw123,
Im kinda familiar with that area (ITS BEEN SEVEN YEARS SINICE IVE BEEN THERE). I used to fly out of KSEA and my dad used to work at Boeing in Everett. I never knew of KBFI but i'll look it up on my AOPA directory. Nice talkn. By the way is that your 182 in your pic?
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gfw123,
Im kinda familiar with that area (ITS BEEN SEVEN YEARS SINICE IVE BEEN THERE). I used to fly out of KSEA and my dad used to work at Boeing in Everett. I never knew of KBFI but i'll look it up on my AOPA directory. Nice talkn. By the way is that your 182 in your pic?
I use to work at Everett Boeing as well. I started out there doing low speed areo engineering work for the 47 and 67 (flaps, slats and some noise abaitment stuff). I then went and worked on the 777 project until it got rolled out. That is about the time I left Boeing.
That isn't a 182, its my girlfriend. :-) Actually, its a rented 172/G.
--greg.
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my dad worked on the enviornmental controls on the 767, 747-400, and i believe the 777 also. They he got laid off and went to Boeing vertol in Philly where we are now and got laid off again so now he has his own bussiness. I loved arlington though and my first flight was actually at boeing field. sorry about the 172 messup though. I confuss them form time to time. by the way are you still in the aeronuatical engireering field?
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my girlfriend wishs she was a 182 because i would get more attention!
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What's the JANET thing everyone was talking about on page 1?
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I think JANET is the secret airline that transports people that work on Area 51. There is a show about on TLC I think and they sho wit every once and a while. Janet stands for Just Another None Existent Terminal. Its a wierd thing and they Operate Boeing 737-100s and 200s. There red and white without a tail number. I think you can get on the frequencie somehow. And they take of from Las Vegas. I hoped that helped you abit and I'll try to answer any more questions, and you cant track JANET flights.
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I think JANET is the secret airline that transports people that work on Area 51. There is a show about on TLC I think and they sho wit every once and a while. Janet stands for Just Another None Existent Terminal. Its a wierd thing and they Operate Boeing 737-100s and 200s. There red and white without a tail number. I think you can get on the frequencie somehow. And they take of from Las Vegas. I hoped that helped you abit and I'll try to answer any more questions, and you cant track JANET flights.
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Most of the flight tracking sites I have played with have a delay built in for security reasons. :-( I know of one that was 20 minutes.
--greg.
I'm concerned with a "reverse" delay of what you stated. The problem wasn't that the plane landed and it still showed "in the air" - it was the other way around! The site reported that it landed when it was still flying (not yet on final approach).
SEAN - where can you get more information about this feed data? :)
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I doesn’t seem possible to have a prediction (reverse delay) of an actual arrival. What you might have experienced was an aircraft that canceled it's IFR clearance and continued to the airport VFR-(1200 transponder code). FlightAware is geared for tracking IFR flights. Its software may interpret IFR cancellations as an arrival. You don't see VFR flights or a VFR portion of a IFR flight logged into history. VFR flights show on the map in most cases when the aircraft is using flight following. If the aircraft is not using ATC services it will not show up. My experience is about a 6 - 15 minute delay on actual flight status. Other than the security delay I think the information is extremely accurate, altitudes, speeds seem to be dead on. Beware of errors from transponders on tracked aircraft could show up and give false information.
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I'm new to the forum and don't really understand where this thread will show up, but hopefully it will be with the other comments about Janet aircraft.
First of all, Janet's have tail numbers. I've photographed them from the Island Tower at the Tropicana Hotel.
http://www.lazygranch.com/janair.htm
Janet aircraft are civilian, and thus have N-numbers, as listed on the link above. If you go to
http://www.lazygranch.com/janet_audio.htm
you can hear scanner audio of these planes. Some of this audio is from Janets on the ground at Groom Lake, not all that easy since the base is in a valley. I go to a nearby hill that doesn't quite have line of sight but is about as good as can be done just by driving. Then I use antennas cut just for the tower (military and civilian frequencies).
I haven't photographed them from the ground in quite some time. However, I would think photographing the Janets and their terminal from the long term parking garage would not get the TSA on your case.
The Tropicana is probably going to be sold in the next few months. A few people I know into Area 51 have done their pilgrimage to photograph the terminal from the Trop. You ask for a room in the Island Tower, facing the airport, as high as possible. Nobody even bats an eyelash at the reservation desk as this request has been done a few time before. Janets start to fly damn early. If you are a Vegas party animal, you will probably sleep through all the Janet activity.
I think JANET is the secret airline that transports people that work on Area 51. There is a show about on TLC I think and they sho wit every once and a while. Janet stands for Just Another None Existent Terminal. Its a wierd thing and they Operate Boeing 737-100s and 200s. There red and white without a tail number. I think you can get on the frequencie somehow. And they take of from Las Vegas. I hoped that helped you abit and I'll try to answer any more questions, and you cant track JANET flights.
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Hello all,
This site is just great for filling in all of the details on any commercial or IFR flight arriving or departing any airport. You can also see the aircraft's recent flight log and there are many different ways to sort your searches.
Enjoy!
http://flightaware.com/
Most of the flights are not displayed correctly!
http://flightview.com is better!
i recommed it!
the only thing i like at Flight Aware you can see the flightplan
Thanks