Author Topic: Harrison Ford's Runway Incursion at KSNA (Read 7485 times)

tossaway · « **on:** February 14, 2017, 07:01:17 PM »

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/harrison-ford-has-incident-passenger-plane-airport-n720826

Mr. Ford disables flight tracking reporting for his aircraft, so to get the time, it looks like the writer of that article transposed AAL1456's digits, which would have put his approach right around noon local, or 2000Z.

The archives are gone for 2000Z-2030Z, and for the window before it–any chance someone could post that? Would make for an interesting recording!

DteK · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2017, 07:12:03 PM »

Came looking for the same. I can get the recording at 1730z and 2030z but 2000z is mysteriously missing. Possible Mr. Ford could have had it taken down?

dave · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2017, 08:00:08 PM »

No....that receiver has been up and down several times over the last several days due to some changes in the hardware and SDR swaps. No archive was pulled....it simply doesn't exist.

tossaway · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2017, 08:56:21 PM »

Thanks for the reply, Dave. Bad luck that the most interesting 30 minutes in many months didn't get captured.!

af250xxl · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2017, 09:59:37 PM »

Quote from: dave on February 14, 2017, 08:00:08 PM

No....that receiver has been up and down several times over the last several days due to some changes in the hardware and SDR swaps. No archive was pulled....it simply doesn't exist.

someone posted the recording on YouTube. It's 37 seconds long.
not sure if I'm allowed to post link to that YouTube video, but it's
easily found. search YouTube using this: 5Rt4slowGVM

where did that person find the recording? :confused:

dave · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:05:21 PM »

Scroll down and read the comments:

"And for the General Public...this is NOT the actual ATC Recording. There is no runway 01 at this airport. It is a joke."

af250xxl · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:08:13 PM »

Quote from: dave on February 14, 2017, 10:05:21 PM

Scroll down and read the comments:

"And for the General Public...this is NOT the actual ATC Recording. There is no runway 01 at this airport. It is a joke."

sorry about that....

I guess I was the victim of fake news?

Duffy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:44:04 PM »

Sorry, but I have to say that I'm very dubious. The feed is perfect all day up to, and following that 2000Z time slot. I'm not a supplier of a feed, but the fact that it works right up to the very minute before his taxiway landing, sounds fishy to me.

dave · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:48:18 PM »

This is the list of archives for KSNA Tower for yesterday - there is more than one missing archive due to technical issues at the site. So you can be dubious all day long, but the archive still doesn't exist. And this is from two different archive recording locations.

KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0000Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0030Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0100Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0130Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0200Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0230Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0300Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0330Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0400Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0430Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0500Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0530Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0600Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0630Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0700Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0730Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0800Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0830Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0900Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-0930Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1000Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1030Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1100Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1130Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1200Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1230Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1300Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1330Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1400Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1430Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1500Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1530Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1600Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1630Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1700Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1730Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1800Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1830Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-1900Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-2030Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-2200Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-2230Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-2300Z.mp3
KSNA2-Feb-13-2017-2330Z.mp3

okEric · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:49:24 PM »

Quote from: af250xxl on February 14, 2017, 09:59:37 PM

Quote from: dave on February 14, 2017, 08:00:08 PM
No....that receiver has been up and down several times over the last several days due to some changes in the hardware and SDR swaps. No archive was pulled....it simply doesn't exist.

someone posted the recording on YouTube. It's 37 seconds long.
not sure if I'm allowed to post link to that YouTube video, but it's
easily found. search YouTube using this: 5Rt4slowGVM

where did that person find the recording? :confused:

I don't think that's it on youtube because tower said 1L, not 20L. Sure sounds like what the AA pilot would say though.

Captlegs · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2017, 12:27:22 AM »

Any retrieval possibilities of Harrison's oops at KSNA???

af250xxl · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2017, 02:46:37 AM »

Quote from: okEric on February 14, 2017, 10:49:24 PM

I don't think that's it on youtube because tower said 1L, not 20L. Sure sounds like what the AA pilot would say though.

the one on youtube was fake news...

my apologies.

ameskay · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2017, 07:55:11 AM »

I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but sounds recent.

jedgar · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2017, 11:09:08 AM »

The only thing off about the recordings is that people think dave and the team are sketchy, this site is run by some good people and I'm sad to see folks question that.

dave · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2017, 11:23:56 AM »

Anyone who has known me for a long time knows full well how strong my integrity is. One of the reasons LiveATC exists is to act as sort of a disinfectant for helping to educate pilots *and* controllers on situations that none of us would like to see happen again. Any pilot or controller can make a mistake - but aviation safety is and always should be a priority.

The only time I've ever been asked to remove a recording was when a pilot was screaming into the mic as he was going down. The family thought it was too disturbing and I granted the request. I also took criticism from several pilots for removing it. We can debate all day whether hearing a pilot scream enhances a pilot's appreciation for aviation safety, or how and how not to handle an in-flight emergency, but in the end sometimes it's important to do the right thing. In the case of this incident, there simply was no recording to remove, and hence I had no decision to make.

If anyone is that interested in hearing the incident, you can make a FoIA request to the FAA and ask for the recording. They only retain them for a limited amount of time. https://www.faa.gov/foia/foia_request/

-Dave

Duffy · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2017, 11:47:37 AM »

Dave, thank you for your explanation and the service you provide to our pilot/listening community.

spikerjack · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2017, 01:12:51 PM »

Quote from: Duffy on February 15, 2017, 11:47:37 AM

Dave, thank you for your explanation and the service you provide to our pilot/listening community.

+1

As participants in this forum we have to check our sometimes strong (desperate?) desire to hear a recording or find an archive against any presumption that somehow it's unavailability was a subversive event. Dave and his site and its ability to aggregate ATC audio from all over the world is amazing on its face - in what they provide to is as enthusiasts and to the broader media at large. In my mind I will always default to a logical explanation - which we got in this case. </end-mini-soapbox>

Spike

MFE92 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2017, 03:10:24 PM »

You can hear the AA jet he overflew being given and acknowledging taxiing instructions and being told of downwind traffic at 1.5 miles (presumably Ford) but the recording ends within seconds of when I'd expect the overflight to have taken place and the next recording starts too late to capture it.

af250xxl · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2017, 04:37:15 PM »

Will the FAA or NTSB release the official tapes of the conversation between Harrison Ford and the tower?

JetScan1 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2017, 10:09:33 AM »

Quote

Harrison Ford didn't sound like a seasoned pilot of more than 20 years when he stammered through radio calls to the tower ... minutes before his screwed up landing on a taxiway.

TMZ has obtained audio of Harrison's convo with air traffic control as he took off from Santa Monica Airport at 11:49 AM on Feb. 13, and he sounds confused.

The SMO tower sends him off with his tail number -- "Husky Niner Hotel Uniform" -- and gives him a personal code (squawk) of 0214 ... his identifying code for air traffic control. All good up to that point.

The trouble starts when Harrison radios back saying he's in a helicopter. He stutters a few times trying to correct his mistake and then throws out his tail number. The bigger problem is he's still talking to SMO tower, which had already turned over to another tower.

The controller tells Harrison he's on the wrong frequency, and reminds him he should be communicating with the other tower.

Our pilot sources say, on their own, these mistakes would be no big deal. But the FAA might be interested in these because of how his landing went roughly 18 minutes later in Orange County.

www.tmz.com/2017/02/17/harrison-ford-plane-radio-communication-mistakes-taxiway/

I put together the audio clip below, all that I could find from the LiveATC archives, covering the flight from the takeoff at Santa Monica until the handoff from Hawthorne Tower.

JS

bobanita · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2017, 11:03:04 AM »

After Harrison forgot to change frequencies and stutters several times saying he is in a helicopter and the KSMO tower tells him he's still on their frequency, he does switch to LA Tower, he's confused again and tells them twice that he is in a helicopter before saying he was sorry.

fholbert · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:04:58 PM »

As someone who’s flown three, even four models of aircraft in a week I’ve been a little confused about what to call myself.

We sure see the same confusion with airline pilots whose flight numbers change on every departure. How often do you hear; SoCal Southwest ahh, ahhh, ah 913, correction 831 out of two climbing one-four thousand.

JetScan1, thanks for putting the audio clip together.

uplink · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:57:54 AM »

^^^ hey TMZ if your reading this, he is NOT saying he is in a helicopter. He is saying "LA HELICOPTERS". I have flown the mini route many times, and it's common to hear this callout from helicopters who are using the SAME frequency of 119.8. The LAX tower helo freq and the mini-route freq is the same. Some pilots say "LA tower", some say "LA helicopters" your calling the same guy.

About the wrong frequency thing, nothing new, we hear airline pilots do this, it's just a matter of forgetting to hit the toggle button on the radio.

He had a very bad day, but the recording reveals nothing we haven't heard before.

JetScan1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2017, 12:58:54 PM »

FlightSimExpert · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2017, 01:41:05 PM »

With respect to Mr. Ford, he sounds like a senile old man who needs to hang it up before he winds up as a smoking crater. If you or I would have had an incident like that (landing on a taxiway of a busy class C airport) we would be lucky to ever be PIC again. I hope for everyone's sake he never leaves the ground without a qualified safety pilot again. I'm sure he can afford one.

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Author Topic: Harrison Ford's Runway Incursion at KSNA (Read 7485 times)