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Offline JulietSierra

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« on: January 03, 2005, 09:00:56 PM »
I'm not sure who the person who has the CYYZ-Toronto feed but if you could possibly include the Toronto Centre Grimsby Sector Feed 133.3 on here ...that would be awesome :D ...cause i'm in Buffalo and I can hear the aircraft but I can't hear the controllers...THANKS!



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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 08:03:47 PM »
Not asking for much.  But I thought I would ask as well.  Is it possible to hear these too or would it make too busy of a feed to follow?  I know it's hard enough trying to keep up with an Air traffic controller talking:

121.500 - Air Emergency

121.225 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Killaloe Sector)        - East Hi-Alt     North Bay, Ontario
124.375 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Mitchell Sector)    - West Hi-Alt   Wiarton, Ontario
124.675 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Picton Sector)        - East Hi-Alt   Coe Hill, Ontario
127.000 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Simcoe Sector)          - East Lo-Alt     PIA Toronto, Ontario
132.375 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Killaloe Sector)                   North Bay, Ontario
134.425 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Sault High Sector)           Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
134.575 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Barrie Sector)    - East Hi-Alt    PIA Toronto, Ontario

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I'm not sure who the person who has the CYYZ-Toronto feed but if you could possibly include the Toronto Centre Grimsby Sector Feed 133.3 on here ...that would be awesome :D ...cause i'm in Buffalo and I can hear the aircraft but I can't hear the controllers...THANKS!

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2005, 04:19:48 PM »
Quote from: JulietSierra
I'm not sure who the person who has the CYYZ-Toronto feed but if you could possibly include the Toronto Centre Grimsby Sector Feed 133.3 on here ...that would be awesome :D ...cause i'm in Buffalo and I can hear the aircraft but I can't hear the controllers...THANKS!


I may be mistaken, but I believe 133.3 is a low level Toronto Satellite sector frequency. If the sector is not too busy, they often combine sectors with other Satellite sectors. This web site http://www.ykf.ca includes the Toronto west Satellite frequency 128.27 and often combines to work traffic into St. Catharines and Hamilton. I think Grimsby is half way between the two.

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but thought I'd suggest it.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 10:07:47 PM »
Added 133.3 but unsure if able to hear pilot's/controller's

ATC-CANADA, All these freqs are too far away from my area, i can only pick up pilot's/controllers near the closest transmitter wich is PIA TORONTO.Adding Simcoe Sector and Barrie Sector will be too much.

Added 121.5

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 10:23:28 PM »
My 2 cents. Given the volume of traffic, there are too many frequencies being scanned as it is. It would be far better to just monitor approach/departure OR the enroute/high sectors separately, but not both at the same time. A possible solution might be to rotate through different sectors for a given time, instead of trying to listen to everything at once ? Like maybe concentrate on approach/departure for a week then maybe switch to the west low sectors then east high sectors etc. I realize this would be time consuming for the operator, and is only a suggestion.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 10:32:32 PM »
Is there much activity for PIA on 121.5?

And with the Enroute frequencies, those are what I can hear as far as the aircraft, I figured those aircraft are talking to Toronto Centre so I might here the Control Centre as well then.  Just a suggestion, but like someone else suggested also. It might be more suitable to have a seperate feed just for Enoute travel, that way atleast the ones in Ontario that are listening to the scanners that can hear the air travel, might enjoy being able to hear the ATC as well.

Great feed by the way, it does sound busy enough.

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ATC-CANADA, All these freqs are too far away from my area, i can only pick up pilot's/controllers near the closest transmitter wich is PIA TORONTO.Adding Simcoe Sector and Barrie Sector will be too much.

Added 121.5

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 05:41:04 PM »
From 8am to 10pm i will be scanning TWR/DEP/ARR from 10pm to 8am i will be scanning TWR/DEP/ARR plus the centre freq's (quiet hours).I will set this up later tonight.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 05:56:19 PM »
Hey this sounds great.  I hope I wouldn't be stepping on any toe's here by asking if there's an updated frequency list from what's on the listing page.


I'll stick around to see how well this works.  i'll line up 20 freqs. to listen to in my scanner. And I'll see if I can hear the tower match up.

With the icecast servers that you use.  How much lag for time is there between the stream and the actual communications?


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On Listing Page:

Toronto Pearson Tower: 118.7,118.35,(118.0 backup)
Toronto Arrival: 132.8,124.475,125.4
Toronto Departure: 128.8,127.575


Toronto Centre:
(Hamilton Sector) 132.475
(Centralia Sector) 125.775
(East Sadar) 124.92
(East Satellite) 133.4
(West Satellite) 119.3
(Simco Sector) 127.0
(Barrie Ssector) 134.57
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This is what I could here for the aircraft.  So would you need to have those same freq's for the tower, or are they crossed over to localized tower frequencies?

121.225 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Killaloe Sector)        - East Hi-Alt        North Bay, Ontario
124.375 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Mitchell Sector)    - West Hi-Alt      Wiarton, Ontario
124.675 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Picton Sector)        - East Hi-Alt      Coe Hill, Ontario
127.000 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Simcoe Sector)       - East Lo-Alt        PIA Toronto, Ontario
132.375 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Killaloe Sector)                   North Bay, Ontario
134.425 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Sault High Sector)           Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
134.575 - Enroute - YYZ Toronto ACC   (Barrie Sector)    - East Hi-Alt       PIA Toronto, Ontario
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From 8am to 10pm i will be scanning TWR/DEP/ARR from 10pm to 8am i will be scanning TWR/DEP/ARR plus the centre freq's (quiet hours).I will set this up later tonight.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 09:28:43 PM »
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Hey this sounds great.  I hope I wouldn't be stepping on any toe's here by asking if there's an updated frequency list from what's on the listing page.


I'll stick around to see how well this works.  i'll line up 20 freqs. to listen to in my scanner. And I'll see if I can hear the tower match up.

With the icecast servers that you use.  How much lag for time is there between the stream and the actual communications?

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Not stepping at all.  Eventually, I will have a system where feed operators can enter their own data.  For now, I depend on them to give it to me.    Since it doesn't change often, it's not a real big deal.  If they provide updates, I get the updates in pretty quickly.

CYYZ is one of our best feeds (thanks Luc!) due to Luc's proximity to the airport and great receiving location.  In busy areas like Toronto, it is tempting to want to listen to as much as possible.  Personally, I like a variety, and I prefer approach control over Tower, and Tower over en route.  But that's a preference order...I like them all!  Everyone has his thing.  :-)

The difficulty is finding a balance.  In the single scanner situation that we're in, you're almost always missing something in a busy area.  The goal here is to provide variety and, where possible, provide separate feeds of Tower, etc.  Polls don't work...everyone wants something different.  They can help gauge what people are interested, but to an extent I leave it up to the person providing the feed uplink.  I advise where I think it makes sense.

As to the audio delay, it is typically about 30-40 seconds and depends on a number of factors.

Dave

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 02:13:33 PM »
how about a daily alternation of toronto app/dep freq's and center freq's instead of only center at night where there is little traffic if at all in the air.Just a humble request.Thanks

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2005, 11:43:33 AM »
What's readily available now (and free) is the ability to tag a name to a specific frequency. This name appears on the the audio player a listener is using and changes as the scanner stops at the next frequency.

For example, if Toronto Tower frequency is 118.2, a tag that reads "Toronto Tower" is tied to 118.2 and every time the scanner stops on 118.2 it sends information to the audio player that will display "Toronto Tower".

This solves the most common complaint about listening to ATC feeds, in that often with so many frequencies offered, the listener is quickly lost as to who they are listening to.

Now the scanner must have a serial port on the back, but this is more and more common now, and certainly these types of scanners can be found on ebay for less than $100.

Guess what it means is that as time goes by, more and more feeds will start offering this, making ATC monitoring more enjoyable.

Here's a demo if you're interested. (Hope the feed is busy enough. It's slow in the winter). Click on http://www.ykf.ca.

I know it works with Winamp. I would be interested to know from anyone using a player other than Winamp if these "Tags" work.

Peter

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2005, 12:30:55 AM »
Alpha tagging like this seems to have taken off quite well.

I listen to numerous scanner feeds that use these.  Massachucets, San Diego, etc...

That would make to be a nice addition if it were possible.

There's been disussions about this on the yahoo group LiveScannerAudio http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiveScannerAudio

Here's a good listing of feeds with the alpha tags http://dir.xiph.org/index.php?sgenre=Scanner


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What's readily available now (and free) is the ability to tag a name to a specific frequency. This name appears on the the audio player a listener is using and changes as the scanner stops at the next frequency.

For example, if Toronto Tower frequency is 118.2, a tag that reads "Toronto Tower" is tied to 118.2 and every time the scanner stops on 118.2 it sends information to the audio player that will display "Toronto Tower".

This solves the most common complaint about listening to ATC feeds, in that often with so many frequencies offered, the listener is quickly lost as to who they are listening to.

Now the scanner must have a serial port on the back, but this is more and more common now, and certainly these types of scanners can be found on ebay for less than $100.

Guess what it means is that as time goes by, more and more feeds will start offering this, making ATC monitoring more enjoyable.

Here's a demo if you're interested. (Hope the feed is busy enough. It's slow in the winter). Click on http://www.ykf.ca.

I know it works with Winamp. I would be interested to know from anyone using a player other than Winamp if these "Tags" work.

Peter

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2005, 07:08:32 PM »
Hi Cyyz Luc.p,

I'm impressed by how cliear the signal is from your feed !

I've sat in the (now closed :( ) Boeing parking lot with a scanner and not receieved as clear a signal as you are getting !

Where are you located?

What kind of scanner are you using?   Are you using an external antenna?

Mike

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2005, 11:57:05 PM »
Mike, My Apartment is just under the localizer of Runway 24R.Distance between my apt and the airport is around 6miles, so I am pretty close to the airport.

Using External Antenna from my balcony that connects to my BC350C (Home base Scanner)

I use the Sportcat 180 from uniden every time I head out to plane spot. Nice clear voice and easy to switch freq. About 300$ Check out this site http://www.radioworld.ca/. You can also check out these Aviation Hobby stores http://aviationworld.net or http://www.thresholdaviation.com

Luc

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2005, 09:50:49 AM »
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Hi Cyyz Luc.p,

I've sat in the (now closed :( ) Boeing parking lot with a scanner and not receieved as clear a signal as you are getting !

Mike


The chances are good that your computer speakers are far superior to the speaker in your scanner.

The excellent quality of the Toronto feed has a lot to do with the position (height) of the antenna used, computer and sound card or audio device being utilized.

I'd be willing to guess that Luc would much rather listen to his own feed through his computer than to unplug and listen to the feed over the speaker in his scanner.

And you're correct, it is one of the clearest feeds I've heard. Thanks Luc

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2005, 04:09:19 PM »
Hi there,

The frequency for GR (Grimsby) sector has been changed to 120.17 mHz, at least temporarily, due to coverage issues with the main frequency of 133.3.  I don't know how long it will last, but NavCan technicians are working on it now.

East Satellite actually has the 133.4 mHz frequency.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2005, 04:08:40 AM »
I am moving to Toronto (Mississauga more precisely) in about 3 weeks and would be willing to set up a second YYZ feed, if technically possible.  My apartment is about 5km south of the airport (good), just about lined up on final if you are landing 33L (the ACC itself is right next to the 33L threshold).  It's on the 7th floor of a high-rise (18 stories) building (good);  unfortunately, my balcony faces south, the opposite direction from the airport (not so good).  I'm not sure if this will be a deal-breaker or not, what with line-of-sight issues.  Should be able to hear the pilots really well;  not sure about the controllers yet.  You guys may know more about what kind of reception I can expect given the situation.

The only scanning I've done to date is with a standard-issue $75 Radio Shack handheld, which needless to say is far from the most powerful.  I had it with me and would have liked to try it out from the balcony when we were closing the deal on the apt. yesterday, but the apt. complex rep was there so I didn't want to have to explain .. sure you all know the drill.  In any case, I'd be willing to look into an outdoor antenna I could mount on the balcony somewhere -- I'm clueless about the technology but I'm sure that there are folks here who could talk me through it.

Luc's feed does a great job with terminal/tower so I would probably look to add a few of the sectors that work the bedposts into YYZ, or possibly the satellite sectors if people want to hear those, but I'd be willing to listen to requests, for sure.  It's the least I can do;  I listen to Luc's feed, and others at liveatc.net, just about every day, so if I can contribute I would be pleased to do so.

If my apt. location doesn't end up working, I may be able to work something out later on, as the reason I'm moving to Toronto is to work at the ACC, though I don't start right away.

Any thoughts as to sound quality I can expect?  Is it worth investing in an outdoor antenna, and where would I be able to get such a thing (I did an online search and didn't come up with much)?  If the consensus seems to be that it ought to work, I will try to set something up sometime in the next few months, after we get unpacked and settled in.

MS

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2005, 05:51:33 AM »
Sounds great, MS.  Contact me offline or you can hook up with Luc and he can help out.  He's very knowledgeable as well.

And congrats on your acceptance into the program up there!  Should be fun.

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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2005, 02:10:02 PM »
I live on the 2nd floor, just under ILS24R 5miles from the runway and facing south. The only problem is a/c's coming from the north/north east sounds a bit choppy due to the line of sight, but that’s about it. Since you’re facing the opposite direction from the acc/airports, I don't know if it’s going to work. The pilots you will hear fine except for a/c coming from the north. The PIA(Pearson) Transmitter is located at the airport, so try it with your scanner and see if you pick up anything.

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2005, 02:03:58 PM »
Luc...I am considerind buying an apartment in Toronto to have a place to stay when my wife and i visit our family over there. I am looking at a place called the Pinnacle on the harbour front 10 th floor It is front of Union station...what hope of two way cyyz on a scanner with small antennae on the balcony?? m50

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2005, 12:12:58 AM »
M, one guy lives at lake shore on the 25th floor and he's hearing continuous static. Now it all depends on which way your facing the transmitter. Facing south wouldn’t be good because the airports are complete north/north west of the city. You would be able to catch pilots clearly depending on there location, but atc might be choppy. Try it first and if you have good reception, than buy an aviation antenna.

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2005, 03:51:23 AM »
Another factor is how much man-made noise you pick up (computer noise, power-line noise, etc.).  This can be substantial in some locales, so much so that it masks VHF airband signals.

As others have pointed out, though, being on the wrong side of a large metal  building can be pretty debilitating to radio signals.

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2005, 05:26:59 AM »
Thanks for the help and advice guys....I cant get up to try it out as the condo tower is only being built at the moment!!!  Thanks   m50

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2005, 09:54:12 PM »
Luc,

What type of antenna are you using?  It is a normal VHF antenna or a avaiation band tuned antenna?

I live in Markham (about 12 to 15 miles from CYYZ, and not an apartment) and sometimes, * if the conditions are right*, I can use a "random wire" stuck high on the ceiling to pick to the Tower transmission, although quite a lot of static, but I can still hear to it .. (I don't live on high rise)..  I use an ICOM R5 though, which the sentivity is pretty good..  Pilots are always clear..

So I always wonder if upgrading the antenna would provide me a stronger signal..  

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2005, 09:07:44 AM »
This topic is relatively interesting.  I posted something earlier about my previous listening to 132.37, the former Kilalloe sector (North Bay/Sudbury hi alt) where pilots complained of hearing the Cleveland OH ATIS and that freq as posted is changed to 121.22.  NOw Montreal ACC is adding new frequencies and feeding more open 'repeaters' onto the 133.97 freq.  There are alot of old freq's coming and old ones going.  

I myself have 2 scanners and I had the capability, I'd upload a 24/7 link of Montreal 133.97 and Toronto on 128.3   However, my resources are too limited.