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Offline JALTO

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Converging ILS Approach Questions....
« on: October 11, 2005, 05:15:53 PM »
I usually like looking up questions like these on the web but I seem to be having a little issue getting info on this one.  Today at PHL ATC has been assigning RWY 9R and RWY 17 Converging ILS approach.... what would be different from the converging approach to the non-converging approach especially when it looks like the runways do not intersect each other.  On most days out of PHL RWY 27R and 35 are assinged for landing and these runways do intersect.....any info you have that would unclog my head would be appreciated.

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-J

I've attached the approach chart links for Converging ILS Approach RWY 9R and 17 if anyone is interested.
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0510/00320CONI9R.PDF
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0510/00320CONI17.PDF

I know this my seem like an amateur question for the veterans out there...so sorry in advance.



Offline davolijj

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2005, 06:15:23 PM »
The Missed Approach instructions are different.  The MA instructions for the regular ILS 17 (not converging) would be a climbing right turn to 3000 and hold over OOD.  The converging one has instructions to keep away from the ILS 9R final in the event of a 9R aircraft going missed.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 07:15:43 AM »
Jon,

Philly starts to use the Converging ILS's when the ceiling gets at or below 800 feet or about 2 miles visibility. Jim kinda mixed it up, the Missed Approach for 17 turns left to PNE and up to 3000. And just as the word converging says 9R climbs up to 3000 and right to OOD. If you still don't understand why these procedures are in use. In IMC conditions, if two aircraft on each ILS would go Missed at the same time and the Converging ILS's are not in use. It would not be a good thing since 17 and 9R Missed/Go-arounds would intersect. And just to explain a little more, 9R and 17 are used in heavy IMC conditions because 9R is our only runway that is CATIII and with ALSF-2 lighting. 17 is used obviously because 35 doesnt have an ILS.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 08:21:57 AM »
Ed and Jim....I do appreciate the replies....thank you very much.

-J

Offline davolijj

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 11:55:21 AM »
This may confuse more than it helps, but I'm a visual person so I put them all down in one view.

Missed approach instructions...
ILS 17, ILS 9R, ILS 17 Converging, ILS 9R Convering...

You can see how the ILS 17 and 9R MA flight paths would cross.

Offline JALTO

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 03:26:12 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to mark up the diagram.....visuals definately do help.

-J

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 03:11:43 PM »
I fly into PHL quite a bit.  Great explanation.