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Offline kyle172

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Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« on: November 15, 2007, 01:54:53 PM »
Unused military air space to become 'express lane'Story Highlights
Unused military airspace will be opened to commercial flights

The FAA will ensure that air traffic facilities are well staffed

Proposed regulations would double bump fees

The airline industry's on-time performance is at a record low this year



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ahead of the holiday travel crunch, President Bush ordered steps Thursday to reduce air traffic congestion and long delays that have left passengers stranded.


President Bush outlined a plan to reduce air traffic congestion on Thursday.

 The most significant change is that the Pentagon will open unused military airspace from Florida to Maine to create "a Thanksgiving express lane" for commercial airliners. It will be open next week for five days -- Wednesday through Sunday -- for the busiest days of Thanksgiving travel.

"This will help mitigate congestion and provide opportunities for the planes to keep on schedule," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. The change also will be in effect during the Christmas travel season.

She also said the Federal Aviation Administration was imposing a holiday moratorium on nonessential maintenance projects, allowing all FAA personnel and equipment to be focused on keeping flights on time.

Further, the Department of Transportation will propose doubling the bump fee that airlines must pay to travelers who buy tickets but wind up without a seat. The penalty now is $200 or $400, depending on how long the passenger has been inconvenienced. The proposed increase would make the fee $400 to $800.

Further, officials said the FAA would take other steps to increase efficiency such as rerouting airspace, using technology to fill unused space in the air and on the ground, and using more precise routes for takeoffs and landings.

Another proposed rule would deem the operation of a chronically delayed flight -- defined as a flight that operates more than 15 minutes late more than 70 percent of the time -- to be an "unfair and deceptive practice." That designation carries with it substantial monetary penalties.

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Bush announced the action at the White House with Transportation Secretary Mary Peters and Bobby Sturgell, acting administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration.

Domestic carriers are expected to fly roughly 27 million passengers worldwide over 12 days beginning November 16, with planes about 90 percent full, according to the Air Transport Association.

Several airline executives, testifying before the House Transportation Committee Thursday on holiday travel prospects, said they were preparing to care for passengers in the event of weather or air traffic control-related delays.

Jetblue Airways CEO Dave Barger acknowledged that "we let our customers down" last February when hundreds of passengers were stranded on parked JetBlue planes for up to 10 1/2 hours. "In fact, to be candid, we failed them."

He said that with added deicing equipment and crew and expanded customer service personnel, "JetBlue is ready for the holidays."

But Rep. John Mica, R-Florida, said there was "some very bad news for people who think there is going to be a quick cure to congestion." He said that even if everything went smoothly, implementation of the next-generation air traffic control system that should reduce disruptions was at least 15 years off.

Bush, on September 27, announced that his administration was looking at ways to reduce air traffic congestion. The president urged Congress to look at legislation to modernize the FAA, and instructed Peters to report back to him quickly about ways to ensure that air passengers are treated appropriately and progress is made to ease congestion.

Peters said at the time she was asking airlines to meet to formulate a plan to improve scheduling at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, one of the nation's busiest. If no solution is found, she said, the department is prepared to issue a scheduling reduction order.

Congestion is not the only problem for air travelers.

A report made public Wednesday said government investigators smuggled liquid explosives and detonators past airport security, exposing a dangerous hole in the nation's ability to keep these forbidden items off of airplanes. E-mail to a friend



Offline ogogog

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 04:45:35 PM »
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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 06:50:17 PM »
Uh, W, were are all those planes gonna land? They still need runways, and fully certified controllers to separate them. What an idiot.

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 07:40:03 PM »
Uh, W, were are all those planes gonna land? They still need runways, and fully certified controllers to separate them. What an idiot.

The latter could be easily taken care of.. The FAA could just lift the age cap for controllers, get those who want to do it get trained (notwithstanding the NATCA/gov't debate) and we're golden.

What I want to know is.. what 'unused military airspace' is truly unused? I mean, if I remember correctly, R-2508 out in California is hot 24 hours per day from SFC - unlimited. Is there any airspace that is not 'hot' like that on the east coast?

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 08:49:45 PM »
Well it's about time! I've always thought, "If only we could open those military areas,
we could land so many more airplanes!" Why, just using that MOA near JFK would up
the acceptance rate at JFK astronomically. I just wish they would have done this sooner...
Did anyone see the slight of hand that W used in this magic trick? Conjestion at the airports,
Oh! Looky here, I can make a bunny rabbit shadow on the wall. Good thing Mica was there
to inform all that W's innovations really won't help, what we really need is NEXGEN,(which, by the
way, hasn't been invented yet!). What we really need is THISGENeration and NEXGENeration of
airtraffic controllers to be treated fairly, paid accordingly, and to stop being persecuted by our employer!
  THAT ALONE would go a long ways towards reducing delays........

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 09:20:55 PM »

The latter could be easily taken care of.. The FAA could just lift the age cap for controllers, get those who want to do it get trained (notwithstanding the NATCA/gov't debate) and we're golden.

I don't understand how this could help. In fiscal year 2007, 856 fully certified, veteran controllers retired, resigned, died or otherwise left the job. 856. Out of less than 15,000. Well more than 5% of the workforce. Of those 856, only 16 were forced to retire due to age. 16 out of 856. How is raising the age cap going to solve the fact that more than 5% of the workforce have already quit, and the FAA is just now hiring their replacements? And while we're talking about those replacements, why have more than 200 of them quit this year? Unprecedented. Pay them properly, and treat them fairly, and maybe they'll want to work for you.

Fix the problems that are real, like the NATCA/FAA issues, the lack of hiring and funding for the technical folks, and quit running the FAA like a business. We are here for safety, not to make a profit.

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 09:36:09 PM »

The latter could be easily taken care of.. The FAA could just lift the age cap for controllers, get those who want to do it get trained (notwithstanding the NATCA/gov't debate) and we're golden.

I don't understand how this could help. In fiscal year 2007, 856 fully certified, veteran controllers retired, resigned, died or otherwise left the job. 856. Out of less than 15,000. Well more than 5% of the workforce. Of those 856, only 16 were forced to retire due to age. 16 out of 856. How is raising the age cap going to solve the fact that more than 5% of the workforce have already quit, and the FAA is just now hiring their replacements? And while we're talking about those replacements, why have more than 200 of them quit this year? Unprecedented. Pay them properly, and treat them fairly, and maybe they'll want to work for you.

Fix the problems that are real, like the NATCA/FAA issues, the lack of hiring and funding for the technical folks, and quit running the FAA like a business. We are here for safety, not to make a profit.

Please don't get me wrong. I agree with you totally! That was one of the things I was meaning about the NATCA/FAA issues. But there are those who would like to help out with raising the controller ranks, but are ineligible to because of the age cap. It's almost akin to looking a gift horse in the mouth, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 02:00:57 PM »
Am I the only one that wishes a moderator would edit reply #1 so we don't have to scroll from side to side to read this damn thread? :x

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 03:20:01 PM »
http://gettheflick.blogspot.com/2007/11/air-traffic-for-dummies.html

As a someone who isn't an Air Traffic Contorller but an avaition enthuiest, I can't agree more what that observation.

My first thought in hearing this is "gee.....where they gonna put the planes once they're in the sky"

Better load up on holding fuel boys and girls.

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 06:29:52 PM »
Am I the only one that wishes a moderator would edit reply #1 so we don't have to scroll from side to side to read this damn thread? :x

Couldn't agree more, Digger.  Let's read this while we're waiting.

http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/2007/11/the-decider-guy.html

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Re: Bush orders Unused Military Airspace For Holiday Travel
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2007, 11:38:33 PM »
I think its kinda funny since none of the airspace is restricted.  Most of it is rarely used and in the off-chance that it is, its only one area or two at a time.  You're not going to see the entire East Coast being hogged up for training.

So, point being...I think this is more of a PR type of thing than anything else.