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Offline binky

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FAA changes regarding "Position and Hold"?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2006, 14:29:19 UTC »
I'm not one to read all of the air regulations, but doesnt it say that after landing unless specifically told otherwise by ATC, an aircraft is to exit via the first available taxiway and they may not vacate onto another runway? Or does it say "if cleared to land you must come to a complete stop on the runway and hold until instructed otherwise"? I personally have seen many aircraft exit a runway on their own after landing, exit and contact ground control without the tower telling them to do so.  So is this a violation because they didnt stop on the runway and wait for explicit instructions as a post suggested they should? I agree there can be liability with using certain phraseologies but ATC and pilots do exercise a wee bit of common sense like everyone in the real world.  For example I have heard 'taxi to position' with no wait issued on the CYYZ feed (even to Non-Canadian aircraft) and have yet to hear of an aircraft departing on their own. So it seems to me people would rather come up with the most unlikely, obscure examples to attempt to justify their point that 1 out of say 100,000 pilots will actually depart without a takeoff clearance when told taxi to position without the 'wait'. Perhaps if also told to 'wait' maybe 1 out of 500,000 would still depart, and maybe to be even safer by saying 'taxi to position and wait, do not takeoff' only 1 out of 1,000,000 would still depart.

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FAA changes regarding "Position and Hold"?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2006, 23:43:21 UTC »
Quote from: binky
I'm not one to read all of the air regulations, but doesnt it say that after landing unless specifically told otherwise by ATC, an aircraft is to exit via the first available taxiway and they may not vacate onto another runway...


Quote from: The AIM

4-3-20. Exiting the Runway After Landing

The following procedures should be followed after landing and reaching taxi speed.

a. Exit the runway without delay at the first available taxiway or on a taxiway as instructed by ATC. Pilots shall not exit the landing runway onto another runway unless authorized by ATC. At airports with an operating control tower, pilots should not stop or reverse course on the runway without first obtaining ATC approval.

b. Taxi clear of the runway unless otherwise directed by ATC. In the absence of ATC instructions the pilot is expected to taxi clear of the landing runway by clearing the hold position marking associated with the landing runway even if that requires the aircraft to protrude into or cross another taxiway or ramp area. This does not authorize an aircraft to cross a subsequent taxiway/runway/ramp after clearing the landing runway.

NOTE-
1. The tower will issue the pilot instructions which will normally permit the aircraft to enter another taxiway, runway, or ramp area when required to taxi clear of the runway by clearing the hold position marking associated with the landing runway.

c. Stop the aircraft after clearing the runway if instructions have not been received from ATC.

d. Immediately change to ground control frequency when advised by the tower and obtain a taxi clearance.


Quote from: Pilot/Controller Glossary


POSITION AND HOLD- Used by ATC to inform a pilot to taxi onto the departure runway in takeoff position and hold. It is not authorization for takeoff. It is used when takeoff clearance cannot immediately be issued because of traffic or other reasons.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2006, 00:38:41 UTC »
By the way, here is the official GENOT that got this whole windfall started:

GENOT RWA 6/13 SVC B
NOTICE:  N7110.439
SUBJECT: AMENDMENT TO TIPH PROCEDURES
EFFECTIVE: MARCH 20, 2006


BACKGROUND: TIPH OPERATIONAL ERRORS CONTINUE TO OCCUR. WE REVIEWED THESE EVENTS AND DETERMINED THAT CHANGES TO FAAO 7110.65 ARE NEEDED TO MITIGATE SIGNIFICANT RISK FACTORS THAT COMMONLY OCCURRED IN THESE EVENTS.

PLEASE AMMEND FAAO 7110.65R, PARAGRAPHS 3-9-4C, 3-9-4G, AND 3-10- 5B AS FOLLOWS:

PARAGRAPH 3-9-4C: WHEN AN AIRCRAFT IS AUTHORIZED TO TAXI INTO POSITION AND HOLD, INFORM IT OF THE CLOSEST TRAFFIC THAT IS CLEARED TO LAND, TOUCH-AND-GO, STOP-AND-GO, OR UNRESTRICTED LOW APPROACH TO THE SAME OR PARALLEL RUNWAY SEPARATED BY LESS THAN 2,500 FEET.

EXAMPLE –
"UNITED FIVE, RUNWAY TWO FOUR LEFT, POSITION AND HOLD. TRAFFIC A BOEING SEVEN THIRTY SEVEN, SIX MILE FINAL, RUNWAY TWO FOUR RIGHT."

PARAGRAPH 3-9-4G: DELETE THE ACRONYM USN, PARAGRAPH SHOULD READ AS FOLLOWS: DO NOT AUTHORIZE AIRCRAFT TO TAXI INTO TAKEOFF POSITION TO HOLD SIMULTANEOUSLY ON INTERSECTING RUNWAYS.

PARAGRAPHS 3-10-5B: "USN NOT APPLICABLE." INFORM THE CLOSEST AIRCRAFT THAT IS CLEARED TO LAND, TOUCH-AND-GO, STOP-AND-GO, OR UNRESTRICTED LOW APPROACHES WHEN THERE IS TRAFIC AUTHORIZED TO TAXI INTO POSITION AND HOLD ON THE SAME OR PARALLEL RUNWAY SEPARATED BY LESS THAN 2,500 FEET.

EXAMPLE-
"DELTA ONE, RUNWAY TWO FOUR RIGHT, CLEARED TO LAND. TRAFFIC HOLDING IN POSITION, RUNWAY TWO FOUR LEFT." ALL AFFECTED PERSONNEL SHALL BE BRIEFED ON THE CONTENT OF THIS GENOT PRIOR TO ASSIGNMENT TO AN OPERATIONAL POSITION.

Here's the source URL:
http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/tiph20060227.php#atc