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Title: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: chefnoel on April 13, 2011, 02:36:18 PM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/04/13/state/n102842D14.DTL

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: alltheway on April 13, 2011, 02:40:49 PM

 :-D They are just like pilots, if one does it they all want to do it....

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: dave on April 13, 2011, 03:10:23 PM

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/2011/04/13/faa-suspends-boeing-field-controller-adds-27/

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: Lost around KLAW on April 13, 2011, 03:10:58 PM

Band-wagoners! :roll:

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: atcman23 on April 13, 2011, 06:00:06 PM

Well by the end of the year we'll have fully staffed midnight shifts too.  Not sure what else could happen here.

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: n8zrp on April 13, 2011, 08:07:10 PM

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/krno/KRNO-Apr-13-2011-0900Z.mp3

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N20TN/history/20110413/0730Z/KMMH/KRNO

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: cessna157 on April 13, 2011, 08:13:32 PM

I'm willing to guess we will see quite a few of these pop up in the near future.  With the controllers now having an ASAP program (I don't recall their exact name for it, ATSAP?) I bet we'll have a few self-disclosures.

Similar to the story about "loss of seperation events increased 200%" (or whatever the number was) in Washington.  It's not that there was a huge sudden increase of events, there was a huge increase of reports, which is a good thing.  That is exactly the point of ASAP.

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: w0x0f on April 14, 2011, 09:01:32 AM

An interesting article in the Wall Street Journal discusses a cooperative fatigue study conducted by the FAA and NATCA.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703518704576258703152157770.html

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: incebums on April 14, 2011, 10:30:07 AM

Quote from: atcman23 on April 13, 2011, 06:00:06 PM

Well by the end of the year we'll have fully staffed midnight shifts too.  Not sure what else could happen here.

I'm sure somebody is thinking about implementing some sort of dead-man-switch instead of hiring people.

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: stan1541 on April 14, 2011, 11:02:16 AM

Air traffic chief resigns over controller lapses:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42589519/ns/travel-news/

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: alltheway on April 14, 2011, 02:16:34 PM

Quote from: incebums on April 14, 2011, 10:30:07 AM

Quote from: atcman23 on April 13, 2011, 06:00:06 PM

Well by the end of the year we'll have fully staffed midnight shifts too.  Not sure what else could happen here.

I'm sure somebody is thinking about implementing some sort of dead-man-switch instead of hiring people.

Would that help? I mean they where called by phone and over the frequency and didn't hear it, so a dead-mans-switch would need a teaser to electrocute the controller....

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: delta092b on April 14, 2011, 10:00:11 PM

They could have the same system that uncontrolled airfields have. Send a signal on the frequency to wake up the controller :)

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job
Post by: alltheway on April 18, 2011, 05:16:45 AM

 :-o

I wrote above if one does it they all want to, so there's also a Miami controller among 12 colleagues who closed his eyes....

That is what we call solidair.....

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110416/wire/110419581

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: joeyb747 on April 20, 2011, 11:27:54 AM

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=43b1c4f7&opt=0

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: glencar on April 20, 2011, 08:01:59 PM

This stuff is getting embarrassing! I've been working mids for 25 years and suddenly I find myself getting very, very sleepy... Power of suggestion???

Title: Re: ANOTHER controller asleep on the job (this morning)
Post by: alltheway on April 21, 2011, 11:12:36 AM

Quote from: glencar on April 20, 2011, 08:01:59 PM

This stuff is getting embarrassing! I've been working mids for 25 years and suddenly I find myself getting very, very sleepy... Power of suggestion???

Have the airconditioner to 34 Fahrenheit and a cup of coffee will do...