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Offline RayZor

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 09:09:44 PM »
Wow that's great!  Do controllers really dress like that, or were they just messing around?

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 09:11:50 PM »
They are playing around with the dress code that was implemented with the introduction of the nontract. I've heard of groups of guys wanting to all go in with dresses. Since the nontract states that is approved wear for men.  :-D

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 09:16:16 PM »
They are playing around with the dress code that was implemented with the introduction of the nontract. I've heard of groups of guys wanting to all go in with dresses. Since the nontract states that is approved wear for men.  :-D

Is there concern over the possibility that one controller is strongly attracted to another because of what he/she is wearing and forgets his duties?

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2006, 12:25:15 AM »
While the pictures posted are amusing, the underlying motivation is unfortunate. The controllers in general are really upset with the way the FAA imposed their version of a contract (never ratified by the workforce, thus called the "nontract"), on the controllers. There's quite a bit of really negative stuff in it, as far as work rules, and differences in the way pay is determined. The games these guys are playing with the dress code are a symptom of what's really going on--widespread dissatisfaction with their working conditions.

In my experience, controllers are a highly motivated, dedicated,  and skilled group of people, and they're chosen for their ability to think and act decisively. Start telling them how they have to dress, like they're a bunch of kindergarden kids, and you're going to get a negative reaction.

I applaud the guys in the pictures for being able to handle the situation with a sense of humor, but the thing they're reacting to--FAA management's labor relations tactics--disgusts me.

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 11:06:36 AM »
Ed Schultz has been following this subject very closely.  You may get a sense of what is happening to your national airspace system by listening to some of these clips.  w0x0f

Good Listening

 

Big Ed Schultz talks about America compromising safety for the God Almighty dollar

Ed Schultz talks to Rebecca from West Virginia about seeing the buses taking families of the airplane crash in Lexington Kentucky to the crash site. Big Eddie says it is an issue that tears at the hearts of Americans right now. Ed says we should not compromise safety and public transportation. If government is going to under staff control towers and go against the FAA policy you are signaling that you are willing to have an unsafe operation. The Big ReadHead says if you want smaller government than shut down airports like Lexington Kentucky . Tell the families who lost loved ones in the crash we should do more with less. Ed says America should not compromise safety for the god almighty dollar. America needs to say a prayer to the air traffic controller who has to live with the tragedy.

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/830062ndhalfof2ndhour.mp3

 

Big Eddie opens with the untold story surrounding air traffic controllers

Big Eddie opens with a story about the tragic Lexington air crash that not being told. Americans need to be concerned with what is happening with air traffic controllers. The FAA is using fear and intimidation. Big Ed Schultz says it is a safety and staffing issue. 1.4 billion dollars of concessions by air traffic controllers was not good enough. The Big ReadHead says the country is at a philosophical crossroads. Do we sacrifice safety for profit? America is gutting its infrastructure. FAA is putting a price on safety. There are new work rules that go into effect on Labor Day that makes it less safe. Ed is on fire because this government is compromising safety for cost savings.

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/83106Showopen.mp3

 

Friend of the Ed Schultz Show Rep. Peter DeFazio joins the show to discuss the problems with the FAA and air safety

Big Eddie gets straight talk from the heartland from Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon on air traffic safety. Rep. DeFazio says we are heading over a cliff on air safety. DeFazio tells listeners that privatization of air traffic safety has not worked in foreign countries and it will not work here. Big Eddie asks if we want Halliburton in charge of air safety. DeFazio says the Bush Administration wants to get rid of public employees. DeFazio tells us the FAA is violating existing guidelines. The FAA is watering down rules at the risk of public safety. DeFazio says the Bush Administration did not bargain in good faith with air traffic controllers. DeFazio says that privatizing security at airports is about making a few bucks for their friends. It is all about sacrificing safety and security for cuts.

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/83106DaFazio.mp3

 

Ed Schultz gives us one hour of the finest straight talk from the heartland on airport safety

Big Eddie digs into the air traffic controller problems with the FAA like a bloodhound. The Big RedHead reads e-mails from air traffic controllers who are concerned about the safety of airline passengers. It is a big lie from the government to say that unions agreed to new mandates coming on Labor Day. Eddie says it is about cheap labor to reduce payroll and reduce the workforce. The government wants to privatize your safety. This is a working force issue for Americans to be concerned about. Ed talks to Jeff a pilot from Colorado who says the FAA is a tombstone agency. There is fatigue from the pilot side and Jeff hears it from the traffic controllers too. Jeff says the Bush Administration has never been friendly to aviation. Ed talks to Scott a former traffic controller in Chicago about the chickens coming home to roost years after Regan fired traffic controllers. Big Eddie says the air traffic situation sounds like the next FEMA with wings. Air traffic controllers called during commercial breaks and said everything Ed is talking about today is the truth. They tell Ed there are firings taking place for insubordination. Air traffic controllers are for America . Ed Schultz talks to Heather in Cincinnati over the fact that Americans are concerned about public safety. Heather says there are so many issues going on that the public does not know about. The Big RedHead talks to Tom in Atlanta a retired airline pilot. Tom says thank you to all the air traffic controllers in the country. The air traffic controllers did a great job on September 11 getting all the planes in the country safely to the ground in 4 hours. Big Ed says there is a staffing crisis that does not benefit the traveler.

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/83106hourtwofull.mp3

 

Big Ed Schultz interviews former FAA Chief of Staff Michael Goldfarb on the problems with the FAA and effects for airline travelers

Ed Schultz interviews Michael Goldfarb a former FAA chief of staff about problems with the FAA and air traffic controllers. Goldfarb says moral is low. In a survey the FAA came in 257 out of 257 federal agencies as far as moral. Goldfarb says if an airline had that moral they would be put on a watch list. FAA wants to run safety like a business and do more with less. Goldfarb is not sure the American public thinks that is wise idea. It does not make sense to have a 2 person cockpit and a 1 person control tower. Goldfarb tells Big Eddie the FAA does not have a long term game plan. Goldfarb says the focus on saving money by the FAA seems to be a very expensive decision. We have compromised the safety margins. Goldfarb says to look at the Lexington story. It masks the larger issue of air safety. FAA has to rethink how they are staffing air traffic controllers. Ed Schultz says the stress level is significant on air traffic controllers when staffing is cut up to fifty percent. That is not good for safety of travelers.

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/90106GoldfarbMichael.mp3

 




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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2006, 01:00:18 PM »
The story (http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php/topic,2314.15.html reply #23), about the young controller on the cover of the FAA's own publication, who has since left the agency, reminded me of this page.

(Since this is the thread about how controllers dress, this seems like the place for the following. I didn't think it was appropriate to get off topic in that thread, but it seems that the FAA has a problem choosing pictures that keep up with the reality of current conditions.)

http://www.faa.gov/pitatc/slidshw.html

Are all those people in compliance with the dress code? (Particularly the guy in the second picture!)  :wink: I guess it's time for some new pictures...

(Here's the home page of PIT ATCT, where those gallery pictures can be found: http://www.faa.gov/pitatc/)

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2006, 01:16:11 PM »


Are all those people in compliance with the dress code? (Particularly the guy in the second picture!)  :wink: I guess it's time for some new pictures...



Negative on compliance.  Time for some new shots.  You should see the flight strip green polo shirts we're all wearing.  They only cost $1 at a local store. 

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Re: Air Traffic Controller Fashion Hall of Fame!
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2006, 08:16:10 PM »
I was a controller in the military and really miss the job. There was no chance for me to get in the FAA after I got out of the military before age 31 so I got my aircraft dispatch license and work at a regional airline now. From what I've read, FAA ATC sounds similar to the management style at my job now. That is really sad.

It's surprisingly (or maybe not so) amazing how "management" can completely ruin a job. It seems like the higher people go in "management", the dumber and more disconnected they get. You look at the bastards and all you can see is dollar signs in their eyes. They don't seem really concerned about anything else.