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Title: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: derekjackson on November 01, 2011, 12:55:48 PM
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

Fine job by the flight crew in performing the gearless landing with no reported injuries on board.

Video available: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15543315

I don't like how the media are calling it a "crash landing" - I personally prefer "emergency belly landing"

EDIT: Liveatc does have Warsaw tower recordings at the time of the incident however it's all in Polish and I don't understand the language.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: JarekKor on November 01, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
Do you have any link to that recordings? I can understand that language :). Best regards
Jarek

BTW: That was the most viewed event today in Poland. Thanks to live TV shows the whole nation was watching the landing.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: notaperfectpilot on November 01, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
yeah, I saw that this morning on avherald...very, very, good job by the crew...thanks derek
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: derekjackson on November 01, 2011, 02:19:53 PM
Hey Jarek,

According to avherald, the landing took place at 13:40Z, so you should find it at about the 10 minute mark in this clip:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/epwa/EPWA-Twr-Nov-01-2011-1330Z.mp3

Do you have audacity? the background noise is high on this recording but it can be cleaned up using the supercool reduce noise feature!  :-D
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: JarekKor on November 01, 2011, 02:48:07 PM
Yes I can listen to it. Thank you a lot!
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: owad on November 01, 2011, 03:30:39 PM
For who do not understand Polish

Translate with google translate, but with a few corrected:

TWR: LOT16, Tower?
LOT16: LOT16, establish ILS to 33
TWR: LOT16, cleared to land, wind 100, 4 kts  For information on your short final to disable runway lighting
LOT16: We have cleared to land, thank you.
TWR: LOT16 Report runway in sight
LOT16: We report runway in sight, LOT16.
TWR: Good luck
LOT16: "pressing and releasing the transmission button" - a form of signaling the adoption of information.
LOT16: (unintelligible) check - probably windcheck
TWR: 120 degrees, 5 knots.
LOT16: Thank you.
TWR: LOT16, runway in sight?
LOT16: Yes, runway in sight.
TWR: Turn off lights.
LOT16: Thank you.
TWR: LOT16, no gear.
LOT16: Thank you.



transcription from www.tvn24.pl
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Czechnology on November 01, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
Can the airplane be repaired after such successful belly landing (or to be more precise - is it financially worth it) or will it just be disassembled for spare parts?
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: derekjackson on November 01, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
That's what we'll be finding out in the near future when everything's assessed. The good folks over at airliners.net mostly think it will fly another day with only a couple here and there predicting a write-off.

The bigger issue at hand is why the airplane was permitted to continue the flight to Warsaw under ETOPS conditions when they knew they had a hydraulic issue 30 minutes after takeoff from Newark?
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: notaperfectpilot on November 02, 2011, 06:43:41 AM
an update from the av-herald and video

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

I agree with you, derek, It is sorta weird that they knew that their center hydraulic system wasn't working right...and they continued on...
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: derekjackson on November 02, 2011, 09:13:14 AM
The good folks at airliners.net are predictably arguing over that point now. Since we are getting "second hand" information from the LOT website, it is possible the crew received a low hydraulic pressure warning instead of a total failure. In that case (so they say) the flight could have been continued. I think if a hydraulic system had totally failed, they would not have continued the flight to Warsaw "just to calm the passengers" (as some people believe) but they would have dumped fuel and landed back at Newark.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: joeyb747 on November 02, 2011, 10:19:45 AM
Excellent job by all involved! Text book belly landing!  8-)
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: jedgar on November 02, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
I'm a little surprised that LOT dispatch let the plane fly, I realize gear failure isn't vital to the in flight operations of the plane, however, if something else had gone wrong and they had to land sans gear at a less than ideal or rural airport, this story may have been very different.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: notaperfectpilot on November 02, 2011, 06:01:50 PM
a new update again...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

I think that we might see this thing fly again...
"...aircraft was towed to a hangar for further assessment of the damage, which after a first check is said to be surprisingly small."
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: NoMad on November 02, 2011, 08:10:16 PM
The bigger issue at hand is why the airplane was permitted to continue the flight to Warsaw under ETOPS conditions when they knew they had a hydraulic issue 30 minutes after takeoff from Newark?

Recalling the flight back to EWR would have resulted in about $300,000+ in refunds to 220 passenger plus the cost of putting all 220 passengers up in hotels.  It should come as no surprise that they decided to let it continue.  Personally, I would rather have gone as well.  The plane was going to have a gear up landing in EWR or in Poland.  Might as well do it the correct destination.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: kolinab on November 03, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
Recalling the flight back to EWR would have resulted in about $300,000+ in refunds to 220 passenger plus the cost of putting all 220 passengers up in hotels.  It should come as no surprise that they decided to let it continue.  Personally, I would rather have gone as well.  The plane was going to have a gear up landing in EWR or in Poland.  Might as well do it the correct destination.

And in the light of day . . . in a familiar airport.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Chadan on November 05, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Fantastic landing. What I was also impressed with is how immediately the crew started emptying the plane. The rear door opens three seconds after full-stop, and people are on the pavement ten seconds later! The biggest delay is the chute inflating!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBgxakhZ8m4
[fixed link]
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Whuts_goingon on November 05, 2011, 06:22:28 PM
The above video link isn't working (for me) so here's a better one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f6IDgL0i5ew
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: flyflyfly on November 05, 2011, 06:31:26 PM
They all performed really well - inside and outside the aircraft. It certainly helped that they all had more than enough time to prepare.

Also great: 2:15 minutes after full stop, they had three (!) busses arriving. Can't complain about the service! ;-)
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: joeyb747 on November 06, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
"On Wednesday cranes and air cushions were able to lift the aircraft off the runway with the engines remaining attached to the wings, the gear could subsequently be released and the aircraft was towed to a hangar for further assessment of the damage, which after a first check is said to be surprisingly small."

From the updated AvHerald:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Whuts_goingon on November 06, 2011, 10:43:53 AM
Here's a video taken from inside the airplane, not too good at first, but still...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TM-1tOVAf0&feature=youtu.be

Makes you feel like you're  there kinda
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Chadan on November 06, 2011, 11:20:23 AM
Nice find Whuts! I had to watch and listen very closely to tell when the plane touched down, and the only thing I noticed was that people applauded. No sound of scraping or screaming!
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: NoMad on November 06, 2011, 09:42:01 PM
I couldn't tell they landed until he looked out the window.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: cptbrw on November 09, 2011, 08:53:50 PM
Here's an NYC Aviation link to video of the damage on the aircraft.  May be a write-off but, externally, it really doesn't look that bad.

http://nycaviation.com/2011/11/video-lot-767-damage-closeups-after-belly-landing-in-warsaw/ (http://nycaviation.com/2011/11/video-lot-767-damage-closeups-after-belly-landing-in-warsaw/)
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: joeyb747 on November 11, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
Could have been a lot worse! In fact, I was expecting it to be much worse then that.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: notaperfectpilot on December 01, 2011, 07:36:40 AM
an updated article...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b/0005&opt=0

I think that emptying a plane with 231 people in 90 seconds is pretty good don't you?
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Chadan on December 01, 2011, 07:53:58 AM
Remarkable actions on the part of all crew involved in this.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: Robin Rebhan on December 01, 2011, 12:16:55 PM
   Yup! >>> Light of day, home airport >>> And low on fuel ( good idea for belly landing ). Plus repairs by home mechanics and land at a very familiar airport, familiar language, familiar procedures and company and company mechanics ( who are familiar with that specific aircraft ) on-line for advice. All in all putting everything possible in favor of a successful landing! Which turned out to be the case.
   Worked out to be good aeronautical decision making on the PICs part.
Title: Re: LOT 767 makes belly landing in Warsaw
Post by: joeyb747 on February 10, 2013, 12:39:20 PM
Capt. Tad Wrona hailed as hero, compared to Sully (Captain C.B. "Sully" Sullenberger, US Airways flight 1549). This clip contains an interview with a passenger and video footage from inside the B767 as it touches down.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/Pilot-lands-plane-without-landing-gear/17852995852/Comcast/TopVideoClips/