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chefnoel:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304066504576341631579541512.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

StrongDreams:
One of the documentaries I saw about the crash made the point that even if the pilots lost all airspeed indications, there is a specific procedure to follow that will keep the plane in the air without stalling.  Something like, apply 85% power and a certain amount of nose-up pitch.  And that in several other pitot tube failure incidents, pilots had failed to do this and made the problems much worse than they would have been.  (I'm not a pilot so tell me if that's bogus.)  So I think there was always going to be a significant amount of pilot contribution to the crash.  But it remains to be seen how much other factors contributed, such as the flight control software.

alltheway:
Yes, the airspeed should not have caused the crash, but as they where over (nearby) a IZT area (Inter tropical convergence zone) it is believed there was an ice issue (wings ect.)

As for training, they are usually trained by senior pilots and instructors, but there are four training centers around the world. But there they have to pay for it...

http://www.airbus.com/support/training/training-centres/

phil-s:
So sad. But life goes on. Question: are the Airbus manuals available in various languages? In French? I'm still struck by the CVR of the flight from Lima that crashed into the Pacific after (what seemed like) hours of frantic effort by the pilots to figure out what was happening.  Their manuals were all in English and you can hear them mixing English and Spanish as they tried to read the things at they same time they tried to aviate and communicate. I'd hope Airbus would have manuals available in at least German and French as well as English.  But English is the agreed upon compromise for ATC so maybe not. Anybody know?

StrongDreams:

--- Quote from: phil-s on May 24, 2011, 09:38:02 PM ---Question: are the Airbus manuals available in various languages? In French? I'm still struck by the CVR of the flight from Lima that crashed into the Pacific after (what seemed like) hours of frantic effort by the pilots to figure out what was happening.  Their manuals were all in English and you can hear them mixing English and Spanish as they tried to read the things at they same time they tried to aviate and communicate. I'd hope Airbus would have manuals available in at least German and French as well as English.  But English is the agreed upon compromise for ATC so maybe not. Anybody know?

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A partial answer to that question is, the BEA Interim Report (link here) has scans of some pages from the A340 manual and they are in French. (pp. 69 and 119-126)  Don't know if all the flight docs and checklists were French, though.

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