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Offline ACA700

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Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« on: October 21, 2012, 07:48:59 PM »
They took off without clearance...

CYUL-Twr2-Oct-21-2012-1300Z.mp3
28:23mins - starts with the tower turning Air Canada 405 to avoid conflict with the AN124 - VDA4044



Offline Fryy

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 08:10:20 PM »
Edited and attached below. Not long after there was reported FOD on 24L which led to TWR switching two arrivals to the right side.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 02:59:47 PM by Fryy »

Offline YWGTower

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:59:55 PM »
Are they allowed to talk in French ???

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 05:43:43 PM »
Sure, why not? They speak French in France. :?

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 07:59:45 PM »
(Montreal is in Quebec, not France)

Yes, they can speak French although they need to speak English when someone needs to talk to them in English.

I've never been too comfortable with hearing other languages on ATC because if you only speak english you will only be able to understand transmissions meant for you. This might decrease your situational awareness to traffic in the area (knowing what's going on, etc). But I'm not a pilot so I don't know if this is true.

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 09:50:48 AM »
I might be wrong, but I thought that English is the official language that is supposed to be used in ATC communications...
Feed Provider:
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 1
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 2
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 3
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 4
ZBW (CLIPR32/HTO31)
ZBW (DXR19/SOUTHIE49)
KLGA Gnd
KLGA Dep
KLGA Twr
NY App (Liberty/North)
KLGA App (HAARP)
KLGA Del/ARINC/TCA

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 02:14:40 PM »
I might be wrong, but I thought that English is the official language that is supposed to be used in ATC communications...

ICAO requires controllers to speak both, English and the official local language(s), while pilots may choose (English or local).

Only commercial pilots have to learn English (in Europe at least), but it's entirely optional for private licenses. Obviously it's still a good idea to learn English - and you aren't allowed to fly into countries speaking other languages otherwise...

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 09:37:37 AM »
OK, thanks for clearing that up!   :-)
Feed Provider:
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 1
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 2
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 3
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC (JFK Area) 4
ZBW (CLIPR32/HTO31)
ZBW (DXR19/SOUTHIE49)
KLGA Gnd
KLGA Dep
KLGA Twr
NY App (Liberty/North)
KLGA App (HAARP)
KLGA Del/ARINC/TCA

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2012, 08:14:00 AM »
I hated flying into yul for the language issue. As the person stated above I enjoy situational awareness which is hard to have when your the only English speaker. I at least learned how to say right and left so I could know if they were talking about my runway.

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 06:29:06 PM »
(Montreal is in Quebec, not France)

Never would have guessed. </sarcasm> :roll:

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 09:34:53 AM »
and what is FOD? foreign object? :?

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Re: Volga-dnepr An-124 taking off without clearance - YUL
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 02:53:42 PM »
and what is FOD? foreign object? :?
FOD = Foreign Object Debris