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Title: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: Wolfala on November 19, 2011, 05:41:23 PM: Overheard on victor guard today - taken from my CVR.

Part 1 and Part 2
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: StuSEL on November 20, 2011, 02:30:41 AM: Geez. This is so loud!
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: K5PAT on November 20, 2011, 09:13:18 AM: Is the lousy audio coming from them or is it your equipment? I could barely understand the message. Nevertheless it would certainly increase my pucker factor!!
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: esv216 on November 20, 2011, 02:35:24 PM: If he's 200 NM east of Atlantic City he's operating VFR in a National Defense Operating Area. They're trying to figure out who he is. He's still outside the US ADIZ, but if he were to make a turn toward U.S. airspace without identifying himself he might get to see an F-18 Hornet up close!
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: jshannon on November 23, 2011, 09:20:43 PM: Quote from: esv216 on November 20, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
If he's 200 NM east of Atlantic City he's operating VFR in a National Defense Operating Area. They're trying to figure out who he is. He's still outside the US ADIZ, but if he were to make a turn toward U.S. airspace without identifying himself he might get to see an F-18 Hornet up close!

This confuses me (though it seems to agree with the audio). If he was 200 nm east of ACY, then he was WAY outside the ADIZ, which I generally think are at like 15m. It looks like he'd be between the NENDA and LARGE fixes, which is way outside the ADIZ, and even relatively far from the W areas. Also, they said he was heading ~50 degrees, which is pointed away.

I don't have any experience with intl flights, so I'm truly curious...

James
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: Fred_Garvin on November 24, 2011, 08:31:10 PM: The ADIZ Air Defense Identification Zone is not the border, it is a zone defined by a country where an aircraft is subject to interception if not cleared into the zone before hand
Title: Re: USAF - Unknown aircraft 200 east ACY Mode 3/A
Post by: pilot698 on February 01, 2012, 01:05:47 AM: The ADIZ varies in size and location though it generally surrounds the east and west coasts. In the area where this incident occurs the ADIZ starts several miles offshore and ends several hundred miles offshore. I also have to point out that a clearance is not required to fly within an ADIZ. There however is a requirement to file an IFR or DVFR flight plan so that the military has the information available to positively identify all expected traffic within the ADIZ.