Hot-Mic'd Pilot Transmits Rhetorical Comments about Controller

[Himerzi]

Aerolitoral flight 2081 (callsign "Costera"), checks in with approach, approach enquires what speed he was assigned by the previous controler, and Costera responds but leaves his microphone open at the end of his intended response. Unaware his mic is hot, Costera waits for the controler to respond, not hearing a response the pilot says "allright, he doesnt give a shit" and then tells the other pilot to "do 230 or even 220, or whatever". Naturally, the controller responds appropriately.

The clip is in Spanish, so here is a little synopsis:
Aerolitoral2081 = SLI
Controller = C

00:05. SLI2081: Approach, good day. Costera 2081 is with you....
            C. : Aknowledges, gives normal initial contact instructions...
00:13.  SLI2081: Reads back. Asks "and correct 230(knots), or how much           do you want ?"
 
The controller attempts to respond, but obviously he is blocked.
00:15.  C.: "what speed were you assigned ?"
Unaware the controller tried responding, but 2081 couldn't hear him because his talk button was still pressed.
00:20.  2081: "Alright... he doesn't give a shit"
Controller tries to interrupt...
00:24 C: "excuse me, what speed were you assigned ?"
00:28 2081: "put 230 or even 220, or whatever".
00:31 2081:" can hear me right ?" .... " I cant hear shit" ... i assume he's talking to the other pilot here, not sure in refference to what.
00:36 C: "Costera 2081"
00:41 C: Asks another pilot how he reads him, pilot responds by saying the frequency was blocked, but now it is loud and clear.
00:50   C: This time, asks Costera how he reads him, costera responds loud and clear.
00:53 ... now the pilot really gets it. C: "its not that i didn't give a shit, I called you sir, but you left the PT (push to talk) pressed... its not that we don't care, as you said"

01:00 2081: This guy is something: he has the courage to respond and say it wasnt him who said that.
1:07 C: "It was clearly your voice. How about, instead, you take precautions about what you say on frequency. Your ptt was stuck" .
1:16 2081 : first part is blocked.. "Roger, theres no problem."
1:19 - Unkown pilot: "Everyone heard it!"

2:37 - CliCK7323: Calls in requesting taxi (I think), controller tells him he's on approach, gives him gnd. freq.

2:51 2081 - Finally, fesses up to what he said.
2:55 2081: " I know that you where talking to us, bu we were  just talking to the microphone (doesn't make much sense), dont, dont... it wasnt directed towards you"  Of course, it is almost certain that  the pilot was actually talking about this controller.
3:01 C: "I just want to mention that we (controllers) are here to serve you, and if you didn't hear me it was because I was blocked, I was giving you instructions. Actually, what we are intersted in is your safety - we are supplying a service. And so I dont think its fair that you express yourself in that manner when talking about us (controllers)"
3:19 2081: "No actually, im confirming that that expression wasn't directed at you. The microphone was stuck, and it was directed at the microphone (again, not making sense). But maybe, it was hear wrong. I just want that to be clear, please"
3:30 C "Roger"
3:40 - Some interaction with a military flight (Callsign "Lince" - Linx), I though I'd leave in, for those interested/speak Spanish.

     

[flygirltammy]

There is really just no way to back-peddle out of that one.

*insert foot-in-mouth here*

[phil-s]

Himerzi -- Lovely catch and good job on the translation. Where was this? Mexico somewhere presumably, given Aerolitoral and  a Mexicana flight and the "madre". But the controller's accent sounds weird to me (even for Mexico).

[Himerzi]

accent sounds weird to me (even for Mexico)

Hey, Mexicans don't have an accent, It's all those other Spanish-speaking countries, they're the ones with the accent. Right ?

Mexico somewhere presumably, given ...the "madre"

Hehe, Mexico indeed.

MMMX - Mexico City, to be exact. About the controller's accent, I don't know, it sound like a normal Mexican accent to me. If something, I guess its that he speaks in a fairly commanding tone (as controllers should). Also, I guess you could say he does have a chilango (Mexico City) accent, but no different than most of the pilots you hear - I'd say.

[philip]

Thanks for the translation...

[evilcuban]

The controller's accent sounds almost slow/lax (like in the South in America) or like a non-native Spanish speaker.  Sounds tired, too...

[phil-s]

Hola Evil -- Estoy de acuerdo. Grammar was perfect but the cadence wasn't native. My guess is someone who's lived in Mexico since childhood but retained some accent, not American.  I wonder if that was part of why the pilot was so disrespectful. In any case, i thought the controller handled the situation very well.

And again, Himerzi, good job. You pulled several things out of the noise that I couldn't figure out at all.

Sometime I want to go back to the original Aeroperu tape to see if I can tell whether the pilots were trying to read English or Spanish versions of the reference manuals (QRH?). If they were trying to read them in English with all hell breaking loose around them, I suspect that could have contributed to their confusion about what was wrong and what to do about it.  -- Phil

[fholbert]

When I was an ATC'er sometimes a pilot like that got some excessive vectoring for other traffic.

Frank Holbert
http://160knots.com