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Title: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on June 19, 2018, 04:35:10 PM
Let's start this thread with this one:

19.06.2018 Denver Center:
Pilot: Tornado off our left
Controller: Thanks for the report, that is about 15 miles east of my house!
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on July 01, 2018, 05:09:09 AM
At SFO EVA-Air was unable to takeoff 28R but 28L was fine, which puzzled both controller and pilots.

28R is longer than 28L and even the obstructions should be a tiny bit better that is why it is a regular occurence for pilots to ask for 28R.
Not this time though and EVA-Air was lucky they were just closing 28R and opening 28L after some nightly repairs.
I guess they could have used a new METAR for the 28L calculation with slightly better winds and 1 degree celcius colder, but apart from that i have no idea.
Anyway i guess they were very heavy.

Pertinent METARs: (actual time of departure 0854Z, but this is what they would have based their calculations on)
SA   30/06/2018 07:56->   
METAR KSFO 300756Z 29007KT 10SM CLR 17/09 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP110
           T01720094 402610144=
SA   30/06/2018 06:56->   
METAR KSFO 300656Z 31008KT 10SM CLR 18/10 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP111
           T01780100=
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Carro on July 16, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
I love these. Please keep posting them.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on July 18, 2018, 07:19:04 AM
A short clip from June 2018:

Melbourne ATC query SQ247 following an unapproved speed reduction on descent.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on July 18, 2018, 07:44:53 AM
Recorded earlier this week:

A passenger presents with a medical issue onboard Jetstar 700 from Hobart to Melbourne.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on July 18, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Quatari A350 is stuck at JFK!

Thank you Caro.
I had a much better one where Kennedy ground compared the airport to a Gulag the Delta he was talkin to could now leave. But somehow at the time the joke seemed a little off and i thought i'd just not put it on the internet.

Note the "Phew, we are heavy today"

Anyway more to come and hi tigerheavy.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: BanditB17 on July 25, 2018, 11:22:40 PM
Not sure if this is interesting or not. SW1050 scolded for not listening to KATL Ground. 7/26/2018 0100Z
This is the first time I've ever posted a recording so let me know if I am doing it wrong.

I came across it when trying to find any sort of communication about DAL1662. Mother in Law was on the flight and said they had to do a go-around because someone else was on the runway. I don't think it was a near miss but she said it felt close. Flightaware has the goaround at around 9:24pm ET 7/25/2018. I can't seem to find anything. Maybe I am doing it wrong. I am checking the 0100Z recordings for 7/26.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Carro on July 26, 2018, 04:10:16 AM
Thanks for the clip BanditB17.
If you haven't found it already here is a link to the go around. They check in at 22:48.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/katl/KATL-Twr-8L-26R-Jul-26-2018-0100Z.mp3 (http://archive-server.liveatc.net/katl/KATL-Twr-8L-26R-Jul-26-2018-0100Z.mp3)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: BanditB17 on July 26, 2018, 06:15:59 PM
Fantastic, thank you. Edited clip attached. Nothing too exciting it seems. Sounds like they were letting an expedited flight cross the runway and gave them the heads up that it may end up being a go-around. Not as perilous as my MILs imagination made it seem.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Carro on July 27, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
Bad time to have to go to the restroom.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on August 18, 2018, 04:53:09 AM
Not so short but not deserving it's own thread either. China Southern doing some shenanigans approaching JFK.
According to the radar the CB they were talking about was drizzle at most and there was no red anywhere near them.

Oh well if you give yourself vectors on the localizer you better watch when you arm it. They probably called established on a sidelobe as they were quite close and still offset. In the right turn the controller then reported the offset and cleared them for a visual approach.

The turn back onto the localizer looks a bit wild but hey they landed just fine :)
(I have the strong impression they just pressed "DIRECT ZULAB" which is the final approach fix and the autopilot did the rest.)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Fryy on August 19, 2018, 04:30:29 AM
Picked this up some time ago on my old feed. BORA81 (KC10) on the missed approach picking up "Justin Bieber" interference.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Carro on August 30, 2018, 03:18:01 PM
A meteor seen from JFK.
Title: New York TRACON controller speaks Korean
Post by: wiedehopf on September 11, 2018, 03:04:02 PM
Now that was impressive. Not sure Korean Air understood it though :)
Title: Re: New York TRACON controller speaks Korean
Post by: kitsaber691 on September 12, 2018, 11:27:04 PM
Now that was impressive. Not sure Korean Air understood it though :)

One of the tower controllers at JFK speaks Polish. I've heard her talking to LOT multiple times.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: kitsaber691 on September 26, 2018, 02:44:34 AM
Zzzzzzz... sweet dreams!
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on September 28, 2018, 07:53:55 PM
SEP 27 2018: Air Asia flight XAX212 (A330 9M-XXP) from Kuala Lumpur to Melbourne develops a "flap lock" condition on the approach to RWY16. The aircraft enters a brief hold to the east and then makes a faster than normal landing on RWY16 without incident.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on September 30, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
SEP 29 2018: Melbourne ATC relay some information to the pilot of a Piper Chieftain (VH-KIY) following a bird strike on departure from Moorabbin Airport.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on September 30, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
SEP 30 2018: Tiger Air flight TT421 (A320 VH-VNB) from Melbourne to Perth returns mid flight due to the failure of a hydraulic system, callsign is TigOz 421.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: kitsaber691 on October 10, 2018, 10:48:48 PM
KATL Tower controller insists that AA2601 use full callsign over the radio. AA2601 obliges. Controller is not thrilled.

I can see the eye-rolling in the cockpit from here...
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on October 11, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
To be clear: the controller is required to require the full callsign as in "american 2601"

Answering only with the number is not enough for runway hold short instructions.
There is a FAA rule somewhere stating that controllers need to hear that. So the controller is just doing what he is legally required to do.

("American" is the callsign of the airline not "American Airlines", the pilots are being bad sports. The controller has better things to do than to annoy 2601)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on October 11, 2018, 03:27:50 PM
Answering only with the number is not enough for runway hold short instructions.
There is a FAA rule somewhere stating that controllers need to hear that. So the controller is just doing what he is legally required to do.

Totally agree. That pilot got really bothered and became angry with no reason.

Thanks for sharing, Mar! :-)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: jedgar on October 13, 2018, 12:26:55 AM
Answering only with the number is not enough for runway hold short instructions.
There is a FAA rule somewhere stating that controllers need to hear that. So the controller is just doing what he is legally required to do.

Totally agree. That pilot got really bothered and became angry with no reason.

Thanks for sharing, Mar! :-)

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/7340_2F_Bsc_w_Chgs_1-3_Contractions.pdf

Fair on requiring American and the number, not being a pedant but "airlines" just flat incorrect.
Title: Re: Random short clips- AHY101 confusion on approach to JFK
Post by: Carro on October 21, 2018, 03:44:42 PM
When AHY101 checked in with approach runway 31R was closed so they were assigned 31L. 31R opened soon after but AHY101 was never told to change to it so it ended with some confusion when they were cleared for ILS 31R.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AHY101/history/20181020/0100Z/UBBB/KJFK (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AHY101/history/20181020/0100Z/UBBB/KJFK)
Title: Re: Random short clips- AHY101 confusion on approach to JFK
Post by: TheBluesMan on October 31, 2018, 10:10:17 AM
When AHY101 checked in with approach runway 31R was closed so they were assigned 31L. 31R opened soon after but AHY101 was never told to change to it so it ended with some confusion when they were cleared for ILS 31R.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AHY101/history/20181020/0100Z/UBBB/KJFK (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AHY101/history/20181020/0100Z/UBBB/KJFK)

This was a great recording and very interesting. I transcribed it if you'd like to read it. 

I think both the pilot and the ATC were more concerned with what they were going to say that they didn't listen closely to the other. There were opportunities for both parties to ask for clarification.

When I looked at the radar tracking of this flight, the pilot was zig-zagging on his approach instead of completing his turn to heading 040.



AHY101: Good morning, AZUL with information Oscar

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, Kennedy approach, expect ILS runway 31L approach. ILS 31L

AHY101: Affirm ILS 31L Azerbaijan 101, AZUL101.

DAL2068: Hey approach, Delta 2068

JFK APP: Delta 2068, expect ILS 31L

DAL2068: I know, 31L. Just let uh, let tower know that Romeo is showing 31R closed.

JFK APP: (Laughing) Okay, I’ll let them know. Thank you.

DAL2068: I think that’s what’s confusing guys.

JFK APP: Yeah, I can imagine that.

JFK APP: AZUL 101 Heavy turn left heading 340.

AHY101: Left heading 340, speed is… 200 AZUL101.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy …, maintain 3000, …to localizer, clear to ILS runway 31R approach

AHY101: … to localizer, maintain 3000, clear to ILS runway 31L. AZUL101. Maintaining speed?

JFK APP: AZUL101, 31R.

AHY101: Thank you.

JFK APP: Okay. Negative Sir. I want make sure you understand you’re landing 31R.

AHY101: Confirm 31R.

JFK APP: Confirmed.

AHY101: I heard you.

JFK APP: ???6 Heavy, right turn heading 180, expect ILS 31R. It is open. Information is SIERRA.

???6:, heading 180 and 31R. Roger.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, turn right! Right turn heading 040.

AHY101: Right heading 040, AZUL101. And for runway 31R.

JFK APP: No. No, you’re established on 31L so turn right heading 040. I’m going to spin you.

AHY101: Now we’re turning to the right for 31R, AZUL101.

JFK APP: Turn heading 040.

AHY101: Heading… Now localizer established for runway 31R.

JFK APP: Turn right heading 040.

AHY101: Confirm of ILS 31R, AZUL101.

JFK APP: Okay. Delta1303, turn left heading 330 heading please join 31R.

DAL1303: 330 heading join 31R, Delta1303.

JFK APP: Delta391, descend and maintain 3,000.

JFK APP: Delta391, maintain 3.

DAL391: Maintain 3,000, Delta391

JFK APP: ???6 Heavy, descend and maintain 13,000

???6:  13,000, ???6 Heavy.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, I will tell you again, turn right heading 040, over.

AHY101: Right heading 040, AZUL101.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, expect ILS 31R, over.

AHY101: Right 040 AZUL101

JFK APP: Expect 31R, over.

AHY101: 31R, over, AZUL101.

JFK APP: Endeavor5020, turn right heading 200.

EDV5020: 200, Endeavor5020.

JFK APP: AZUL101 turn right heading 040.

AHY101: Now we’re turning, I think. 040 to the right, AZUL101.

JFK APP: Yes, I’ve turned you four times and you’re not turning. Right turning 090 now. 090.

AHY101: Right 090 AZUL101.

JFK APP: Delta1303, 6 miles from …, clear to ILS 31R approach.

DAL1303: With the ILS 31R approach, Delta 1303

DAL312: Kennedy, Delta312 9,000 Sierra, request ??? if available

JFK APP: Delta312 heading 040, plan on ILS 31R

DAL312: 31R, 040. Delta312.

AHY101: AZUL101 we were cleared before for 31L ILS.

JFK APP: No. I cleared you for the right side. Apparently there was a runway change, but I still gave you the right, you said, ‘Confirmed,’ and you still continued for the approach. So right heading 090, plan ILS 31R.

AHY101: … uhh I think … confirm the right headings.

JFK APP: Just fly heading 090, please AZUL. Fly heading eastbound, 090.

AHY101: Heading 090 for runway 31R, AZUL101.

JFK APP: Delta1303 contact Kennedy tower.

DAL1303: Over to tower. Delta 1303. Good luck!

JFK APP: Yeah. I need it. Thank you.

JFK APP: AZUL102[SIC] Heavy, turn right heading 200, descend and maintain 2,000.

AHY101: Right heading 200, descend to 2,000, AZUL101.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, turn right heading 260.

AHY101: Right heading 260, AZUL101, maintain 2,000.

JFK APP: Thank you.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, turn right heading 280, … to left, maintain 2,000, …  the localizer, clear at ILS runway 31R approach.

AZUL101: Right heading 280 for 31R, clear ILS, join localizer, Azerbaijan AZUL101.

JFK APP: Okay.

JFK APP: AZUL101 Heavy, contact Kennedy tower.

AZUL101: 119.1 AZUL101. Thank you.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on October 31, 2018, 04:55:46 PM
Thanks for the transcript i didn't feel like listening.

Somehow missing the somewhat typical: "Approach clearance canceled" from the controller.
But even if you are cleared for the approach a heading instruction should remain a heading instruction and be followed.
I mean they even read it back but apparently didn't turn.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on November 09, 2018, 06:17:13 PM
Nov 10 2018: Qantas flight QF157 (A330 VH-QPF) from Melbourne to Auckland develops a technical problem shortly after takeoff, the crew advise ATC that they will need to return to Melbourne but would first like to hold for around 10 mins to burn fuel/reduce weight. The aircraft holds over the Southeast suburbs at 7000ft before making a normal approach and landing on RWY34. The exact nature of the problem wasn't revealed on the ATC frequency.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on November 12, 2018, 05:28:17 AM
Hi tigerheavy,

Just a quick question: are these files you share recorded by yourself? I'm just asking because I tried to find some firther comms from the QFA157 and the feed from Melbourne is extremely noisy and definitely not as clear as yours.

If you're recording these yourself, thanks for sharing. :-)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on November 12, 2018, 06:04:37 PM
VASAviation,

Yes, most of my comms are recorded from my own radio scanner, I generally only hit record though when an aircraft presents with a problem and I'm in a position to monitor.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on December 12, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
DEC 12 2018: A Cobham Aviation BAe 146-300(QT) registered VH-NJM operating cargo flight JTE7451 (callsign "Jetex") from Melbourne to Sydney makes a midair return due to an issue with the altimeter. 
Title: DEC 27: Air New Zealand A320 with flap system failure
Post by: tigerheavy on December 27, 2018, 05:52:02 AM
DEC 27 2018: Air New Zealand flight NZ891 (A320 ZK-OJE) from Christchurch to Melbourne abandons an approach to RWY27 due to a flap system failure. ATC vector the aircraft to the southeast to hold so the crew can run checklists and remedy the problem. About 25 minutes later the aircraft makes a normal approach and landing on RWY34.
Title: Hey tigerheavy :)
Post by: wiedehopf on December 27, 2018, 07:58:36 AM
Hi tigerheavy,

just as an FYI if you want the title on this page:
https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php

be correct for your contributions you can change the subject even when responding in a thread
(So if i would attach an mp3 to this post the title on the recordings page would be "Hey tigerheavy :)")
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: tigerheavy on December 27, 2018, 05:30:18 PM
Thanks wiedehopf, I've edited the subject line.
Title: Re: Random short clips- Lights from transformer explosion seen from JFK
Post by: Carro on December 30, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
JFK trying to figure out what the lights were.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/ny-fires-con-ed-power-plant/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/ny-fires-con-ed-power-plant/index.html)
Title: Taxiway breaking action described with technical term (explicit)
Post by: wiedehopf on January 19, 2019, 01:20:45 PM
Heard this great snippet just now.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on January 19, 2019, 03:52:16 PM
Ha! Would love to know what those guys say right at the end of the clip. I can't quite understand them but that pilot was really clear on his thought on the taxiway's braking action :-D :-D
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on January 19, 2019, 05:39:29 PM
@vas a short transcript for you:

Controller: XYZ heavy, how was the breaking?
Pilot: Standby!
Controller: Roger.
Pilot: I would say the breaking action was medium initially and after we rolled out a ?way? it changed to good.
Controller: Thank you!
Pilot: Taxiway braking is sh**
Other pilot: That's a technical term.
Controller: That is a technical term, i liked it, United ..... normal instructions continue
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on January 20, 2019, 04:11:58 AM
Ha ha!! Thanks for that!!

Do you have the archive that clip came from? I'd love to hear a little bit more about it.

Thanks for sharing though! :-) :-)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on January 20, 2019, 05:48:09 PM
Ha ha!! Thanks for that!!

Do you have the archive that clip came from? I'd love to hear a little bit more about it.

Thanks for sharing though! :-) :-)

There wasn't really anything relevant around it and i purposely kept it without callsigns because of it being explicit.
It was probably an hour or so before the 737 went into the grass landing 4R at O'Hare.
Title: 22 FEB: RAAF PC-9/A and PC-21 flypast over Melbourne
Post by: tigerheavy on February 23, 2019, 06:22:06 AM
To launch the Australian International Airshow at Avalon this week, the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) conducted a flypast over Melbourne coastal areas using 14 PC-9/A and PC-21 aircraft in formation, callsign "Aladdin".
Title: MAR 6: Global Hawk UAV departure from Avalon
Post by: tigerheavy on March 06, 2019, 07:23:19 PM
USAF Global Hawk UAV, callsign "Typhoon 11" departs Avalon Airport (YMAV) at 2330L for Guam? after attending the Avalon Airshow. ATC clear it to cruise at FL510!
Title: Re: New York TRACON controller speaks Korean
Post by: phil-s on March 12, 2019, 02:24:21 AM
Now that was impressive. Not sure Korean Air understood it though :)

One of the tower controllers at JFK speaks Polish. I've heard her talking to LOT multiple times.

Yep. She's been there maybe 3-4 years. She's very good. The very slight Polish accent in her English I find quite pleasing. 
Title: 15 March: "It's been a long night" at JFK
Post by: kitsaber691 on March 16, 2019, 08:58:37 PM
Tower controller sounds like he wants to get back to earth...
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on March 19, 2019, 06:39:54 AM
HAHAHA! That was an awesome exchange! "Tell me about it".... :-D :-D :-D

Thanks for sharing!
Title: April 25: Close call in the Moorabbin Airport (YMMB) circuit area
Post by: tigerheavy on April 26, 2019, 09:44:38 PM
A Piper Warrior registered VH-BZE has trouble maintaining it's position in the Moorabbin circuit area after breaking away from a formation flight (callsign "Eagle formation") on final approach. The aircraft gets a little too close to the Cessna in front causing ATC to issue a desperate "Traffic Alert"! Also included in the clip is another formation flight (callsign "Digger formation") of seven Piper Warriors arriving after completing an ANZAC day flypast. 
Title: 30 APR: VA137 PAN medical YMML
Post by: tigerheavy on April 30, 2019, 07:52:29 AM
30 April 2019: A child passenger presents with a medical problem aboard Virgin Australia flight VA167 (737-800 VH-YIM) from Melbourne to Auckland around 30 minutes after takeoff. The crew declare a PAN and return to Melbourne, flight departs for Auckland again around two hours behind schedule.
Title: Re: Random short clips - Kuwait 117 sent around due to bad readback
Post by: Carro on May 04, 2019, 07:14:08 PM
The pilot did not use his callsign with his readbacks.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAC117/history/20190504/0605Z/OKBK/KJFK (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAC117/history/20190504/0605Z/OKBK/KJFK)

Transcript
Tower: Kuwait 117 Heavy, do you have the traffic short final in sight?
KU117: Affirm
Tower: Kuwait 117 Heavy, maintain visual separation with traffic.
KU117: Will do
Tower: Kuwait 117 Heavy, confirm maintain visual separation.
KU117: Confirm
Tower: Kuwait 117 Heavy, you need to say your callsign with the readback.
KU117: We do have visual contact with the traffic touching down now.
Tower: Kuwait 117 Heavy, go-around, you do not comply with my instructions, turn right heading 100 maintain 2000
KU117: Okay, go-around, turn right heading... confirm the heading
Tower: 100
KU117: 100
Title: 7 June: KMIA Tower Controller Says Hello to a Friend
Post by: kitsaber691 on June 07, 2019, 10:15:29 PM
Apparently he was in Europe for two weeks - lucky guy!
Title: 9 June: Enjoying the show at DFW!
Post by: kitsaber691 on June 09, 2019, 07:30:00 PM
Don't you just love a good performance by Mother Nature?  :wink:
Title: JUN 15: Cessna 172 with open mic in the Moorabbin circuit
Post by: tigerheavy on June 15, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
June 15 2019: A Cessna 172 registered VH-ABI has an open mic in the Moorabbin circuit area for five miles frustrating ATC, sounds like an instructor/student training scenario.
Title: Re: Random short clips - Small argument between BA pilot and JFK approach
Post by: Carro on June 30, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
This is older. The controller wanted them to keep their speed up and the pilot said they couldn't do that. She then cancelled their approach clearance and the pilot told her she should not do that for traffic behind them. I was just curious who was right in this? They were vectored around in a circle and was cleared the approach again about five minutes later, free speed this time.

Title: Re: Random short clips - Grumpy, cranky and terrible Texan accent
Post by: Carro on June 30, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
This is three short clips of controllers having a little fun with their coworkers.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on July 01, 2019, 03:16:58 AM
Miscommunication.

If the pilot had offered 180 knots to 6 or even 7 DME the controller would have had no problem.

The controller could have also offered that because i think the BA pilot was a little too huffy to even understand the question how long he would be able to maintain 180.

ZALPO is at 6.8 DME which is 5.4 nmi from the threshold.
(https://de.flightaware.com/resources/airport/KJFK/IAP/ILS+OR+LOC+RWY+22L/pdf)

In the approach chart you can also see another problem: DME is 1.4 nmi more than distance to the threshold.

Now the controllers mean 180 to 5 nmi from the threshold.
Saying "180 knots to 5 miles" would be unambiguous.

180 to 5 DME is a little ambiguous though.

Not sure if that ambiguity is ever a problem, but i believe it might well be sometimes.


Anyway the pilot was busy explaining why he couldn't fulfill that ("ridiculous" in his eyes) request.
The controller only wanted to know how long he could maintain 180.

Which he then replied that he was slowing to 160.

When the approach clearance was given the BA plane was "7 from ZALPO" which means on a 12 mile final.
Slowing to 160 so far out was as i said probably a misunderstanding.

They were both within their rights to do what they did though.
The pilot can slow down if he deems it necessary and the controller can resequence them to keep up efficiency.

One might argue just slowing down the plane behind BA might have been more efficient and that the controller acted out of spite.
But being uncooperative with ATC might get you going in circles, that's just how it is.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on July 01, 2019, 05:47:20 AM
Totally agree with you, Wiede.

Thanks for sharing, Carro! Do you know what date this was? I can try find the ADSB data of the airplanes and display them on my radar simulator to see how close the traffic behind was or what was the sequence that the lady had built up.

Anyway, I think BAW was wrong here - kind of - and a bit obstinate.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: Carro on July 01, 2019, 02:13:04 PM
Wiedehopf, thank you for your detailed answer. So from your answer I take it that it is not true, the way the BA pilot clamied, that it is not an FAA approved reason to cancel their approach clearance for traffic that they are ahead of?

Do you know what date this was? I can try find the ADSB data of the airplanes and display them on my radar simulator to see how close the traffic behind was or what was the sequence that the lady had built up.

This was in April, do you still have data that far back?
It was this one
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW115/history/20190419/1330Z/EGLL/KJFK (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW115/history/20190419/1330Z/EGLL/KJFK)
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on July 01, 2019, 03:27:20 PM
Thanks Carro! And affirm, I can download track data from one year back. Will go for the rest of traffic around BAW and display them see what the situation looked like for the lady.

Best regards
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: VASAviation on July 01, 2019, 04:27:25 PM
Here's the video. Better quality video will be available soon on VASAviation with some more info and traffic. For now it's only the radar showing arrivals at the time.

Here you can see altitude and Ground Speed. The lady had the sequence well built up already and didn't want it to be messed. Two interesting things I find is how she later put BAW between two again and a Jetblue passing over 22L to establish on 22R. That was a nice move.

https://youtu.be/TadzRotYuKU
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: wiedehopf on July 02, 2019, 02:45:42 AM
Wiedehopf, thank you for your detailed answer. So from your answer I take it that it is not true, the way the BA pilot clamied, that it is not an FAA approved reason to cancel their approach clearance for traffic that they are ahead of?

I'm not sure if the BA pilot even said FAA. Didn't quite catch by whom the procedure wasn't approved.

Technically the pilot might be right, he still had to do a circle ;)

And complaining like he did on frequency is a no-no.
After landing he can easily get a phone number for the NY Tracon and i'm sure he can discuss his complaint.
Such discussion clogs up the frequency and if the controller isn't as collected as this one it can create a dangerous situation.

I've heard the tower send around small planes because a Super was too close behind them.
That's not an approved procedure either probably but it makes much more sense to reduce delays for everyone because sending a Super around you have to apply wake separation and it takes up much more time that the final approach is occupied.

That really creates some fuel burn, going around and being sequenced for a second approach.
This little circle is not a problem.

But he probably is right and it may not be an approved procedure.
His behaviour on the radio is much less approved though.
Title: Re: Random short clips
Post by: kitsaber691 on July 06, 2019, 06:14:51 PM
Just tried to post an audio clip of one minute and change, but was unable. Has this thread gotten too long for the servers to handle?

EDIT 7/11/19: problem resolved - clip in question is now in a separate thread.