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Title: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: MikeNYC on April 04, 2011, 08:26:18 PM
Just put this together... beach landing near JFK, "engine running rough" then "medical emergency", then dispatch of multiple NYPD helicopters to scene
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: mielsonwheals on April 04, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
great recording and nice job putting it together. the pilot seemed a little too happy about having to land on the beach, but better than the water i guess. glad everyone is okay
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: aevins on April 04, 2011, 09:23:31 PM
This is extremely odd.
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: MikeNYC on April 04, 2011, 09:27:34 PM
Agreed... seems a bit fishy that he asks to fly quite low, inquires about landing at JFK, requests a beach landing and that it may be ok as he's a paramedic (before any emergencies are declared), is denied, inquires where he can land on a beach, then speaks of engine trouble and later a passenger's medical condition, before landing on the beach. (Apologies for the run-on). If there was a medical emergency and not a mechanical issue, it would make sense to divert to JFK, just a few miles away with suitable emergency response equipment.
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: snipper_cr on April 04, 2011, 10:03:59 PM
...What a VERY odd recording. Not to mention, some annoying radio habits. If anything, it just sounds suspicious.
"Can I land on the beach?"
"...no, it's a public beach."
"Any private beaches?"
"...no"
"I can't land on the beach then?"
"...no"
"My engine is running just SLIGHTLY rough, I am going to put it down on the beach"

Very weird indeed.
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: StuSEL on April 04, 2011, 10:58:38 PM
I hope this guy gets some sort of enforcement action against him. This is absolutely ridiculous, especially considering that his action required the scrambling of the PD and FD ground and air units. If you're having true engine trouble, you don't dumb down the situation by saying "My engine might be running a TEENSY TEENSY BIT rough;" you make it clear that there is engine trouble and keep it at that. This guy is truly a hazard to the general public, a nuisance on Kennedy Tower's frequency, and is a truly terrible example of how general aviation pilots -- heck, any pilots -- are supposed to behave.
Title: Re: Piper 32ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: StuSEL on April 04, 2011, 11:07:42 PM
What I find ironic about this is the name of the company to which the aircraft is registered: Plane Nonsense, Inc.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=132ND

Since only the last four digits of the callsign were used, a quick search of 232ND, 332ND, etc. revealed several other registrations, but this one most closely matches the aircraft on the tape, seeing that it is based in Delaware.

Edit: Finding video footage now...guess I was right:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Plane-Lands-On-Rockaway-Beach--119223044.html
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFRG
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: aevins on April 05, 2011, 12:05:45 AM
From the NY Times,

Quote
The 23-year-old pilot and his two passengers, a 21-year-old woman and a 22-year-old man, climbed out of the plane, police officials said. Their identities were not immediately released. One person was taken to a hospital, but for reasons unrelated to the landing, the police said.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: NY Z Pilot on April 05, 2011, 12:11:52 AM
This is rediculous.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: aevins on April 05, 2011, 12:14:50 AM
For fun I did some digging. Plane Nonsense, Inc. is the parent company of East Coast Aero Club who operates this aircraft. http://www.eastcoastaeroclub.com/.

Here's a photo of the aircraft http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumil/2996271457/sizes/l/in/photostream/.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 05, 2011, 08:32:27 AM
One thing the pilot said early on right after radar contact was established: "...what if I want to hide from you?"

This whole thing smells real bad.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: marcoleon on April 05, 2011, 10:32:10 AM
Very fishy indeed. The pilot came off as very unprofessional from the start like he was trying to impress his passengers.  Interesting how he asked for permission to land at the beach then his engine magically started running a little rough after that. It was like an excuse in case he got into trouble.

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 05, 2011, 10:34:42 AM
I spoke to the aircraft owner this morning - they are on their way to retrieve the aircraft today.  I am certain that the pilot will have a lot of explaining to do.  This was a very odd incident, to say the least.

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Biff on April 05, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
A little more here:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373615/Police-quiz-pilot-landed-beach-middle-night.html

Quote
Following the premature landing Mr Maloney was taken to a nearby police station and it is not yet known if or when any charges will be bought against Mr Maloney.

A spokesman for the FAA said was 'investigating' and could not say what punishment he would face until the circumstances of the incident were understood.

Not a good thing to do to an airplane, either:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/05/article-1373615-0B7B9FD300000578-819_634x430.jpg)
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: alltheway on April 05, 2011, 11:43:08 AM
You know, this airplane had some serious damage before according to

http://aircrashed.com/cause/cSEA02LA186.shtml

So this attitude might be of students doing their exam stunt ( we do that in Europe though).....
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 05, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
This airplane was in perfectly good shape prior to this landing (verified by the owner today).

I flew alongside it all the way back from North Dakota when it was transported out here about 8 years ago.  I was flying a different (faster) aircraft from UND out here at the time.  I just remembered this today - hard to forget since the trip took a week due to weather!  The aircraft (the Piper Cherokee) was on a "Day VFR Only" restriction by the FSDO but was inspected and any small issues resolved once it got back here.

By the way, East Coast Aero Club is a top-notch flight school and maintenance is one of their strong points - they are meticulous.  I did my instrument training there and highly recommend them (for those near Boston, MA, Nashua, NH, or Norwood, MA).

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Dave_B on April 05, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
Wow. This is sickening. This guy had to be drunk. Hope he gets his certificate yanked, assuming he even has one.

That controller sure was patient with this a$$hole.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: alltheway on April 05, 2011, 12:07:48 PM
Yeah it says it's a Cherokee, and according to the clip the tower called it a Warrior, but both is true..

Quote
In 1978, Piper upgraded the Warrior to 160 horsepower (119 kW) PA-28-161, changing its name to Cherokee Warrior II.

Source Wikipedia
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: flyflyfly on April 05, 2011, 02:10:12 PM
Allegedly, after landing, he told police he'd gotten permission to land on the beach, and also: 'Love what you do, love what you do. I'm never going to ride in a plane again.'

Hopefully he was right about the latter.

More info/gossip:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/jet_stream_in_queens_FxCdP7lBQuww0Hk9MvBLNI
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: gimp2x on April 05, 2011, 02:36:08 PM
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

look at his altitude/speed and heading track....looks like he is struggling a bit with headings and power settings
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: MikeNYC on April 05, 2011, 03:05:30 PM
From the FAA records, the pilot is PP-ASEL instrument rated, First Class medical. Certificate issued 8/2009. That has no bearing on his current ability as a pilot, though, and his use of the radio is appalling.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: englishpilot on April 05, 2011, 03:14:15 PM
I don't get this - this pilot seems like a complete nut job.  I don't understand this at all - none of this makes sense.

As a private single engine pilot this really pisses me off - it gives us a bad name.

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: FlyinMN on April 05, 2011, 03:15:52 PM
I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dgabriel on April 05, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
I agree with everyone on the forum here. Wonder if the plane was going to get reprocessed and tryed to make it harder for the repoplane guys to get it. I wouldn't want the pa28 after it was drenched with salt water. Ill bet some salt water is laying in some critical spots...starting the corrosion already.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Wingking on April 05, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
I heard this entire transmission live as it was happening. I knew this guy was some type of freak or druggie right away but I could tell the controller couldn't.  I was amazed at the patience and kindness shown by the controller who was dealing with a bunch of heavy jets coming and going.  The guy was a total nutjob and its really bad for all pilots, GA etc...I hope the FAA goes after this nut in a big big way...
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: keith on April 05, 2011, 08:37:56 PM
That's the most bizarre exchange I've ever heard.

Truth be told, I'm just glad he didn't kill anyone.  Based on the absolutely horrific judgment he displayed here,  I'm going to hazard a guess that he was not firing on all six cylinders here.  His grasp on right/wrong, the response to traffic calls ("hey, that was a big one!")....something isn't wired right upstairs.

A lot of people are saying things like, "something isn't right here..."  Is that what you guys are eluding to? Or...something else?

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dgabriel on April 05, 2011, 09:10:11 PM
Yea exactly. Something isn't right as in this Guy is a wierdo. Seriously I'm a 21 year old private pilot in California. ...and I always carry myself in the most professional way in aviation. There's a place in time to screw around....and here in aviation we don't screw around with safety and protocol. This Guy is way out of line. Hard to believe some of us work hard to become pilots Just to have some screwball like This one showing the general public the unprofessional side of GA...the only side that gets reported to the media.....figures. well this Guy will be weeded out of the system soon. Controller was professional. .....A+!
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: StuSEL on April 05, 2011, 09:42:52 PM
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

look at his altitude/speed and heading track....looks like he is struggling a bit with headings and power settings
What are you trying to suggest? He wasn't compelled to maintain a certain heading or altitude because he was VFR, though the controller may have issued a restriction at some point or another. But that's not indicative of his physical state or use of drugs or alcohol.

Also, since the airplane is owned by the flying club, this would not be an anti-repossession (or anti-"reprocessing") move. This was clearly done to impress someone.

There's no doubt in my mind that this guy will be heavily fined and revoked at the minimum.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: keith on April 05, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
I agree, the headings and alts are not really relevant for a VFR flight.

The rest of it is a train wreck, though.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: MikeNYC on April 05, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
Nice quote of LiveATC in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/nyregion/06plane.html
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Drakoni on April 06, 2011, 04:04:26 AM
I heard this live as well, and the Kennedy Controller advised Landing at your own risk tower does not approve... That controller was covering his own self when he said the landing was at his own risk, and I agree I feel the controller was right in saying own risk landing...
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: demento21 on April 06, 2011, 07:21:34 AM
I don't usually wish anything bad on people, but this guy needs to be punished for his actions. I hope the plane's insurance company subrogates and recoups their losses from this guy.

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: wagner on April 06, 2011, 07:31:07 AM
NY Post Update on N132ND Beach Landing Near JFK

Pilot's weird excuses to land on Queens beach
By BILL SANDERSON, JAMIE SCHRAM and PERRY CHIARAMONTE

Last Updated: 5:45 AM, April 6, 2011

Posted: 1:40 AM, April 6, 2011

He just wanted to go to the beach!

Joyriding pilot Jason Maloney made every loopy, bizarre excuse in the book to air-traffic controllers to justify setting down his single-engine Piper in shallow water off the Rockaways shoreline Monday evening -- while dodging giant passenger jetliners taking off from Kennedy Airport in the process.

In the oddball transmissions, Maloney, 24, claimed he landed because he had a sick passenger or because his engine was "a little teeeensy bit rough" -- although he made a series of seemingly implausible excuses to land on the sand.

"Whooooa . . . What if I want to hide from you?" he radioed after a controller said radar showed his plane east of Jones Beach.

"This might be crazy," Maloney radioed a few minutes later. "But are we allowed to land on the beach?"

"I don't think so, unless it was an emergency," the controller answered.

"I'm a paramedic, uhhh, is there anyone I can ask?" he responded, before asking, "Any private beaches around?"

The transmissions were odd from the get-go.

Soon after taking off from Republic Airport in Farmingdale, Maloney asked if he could land his plane with its two passengers -- Clarke Oler, 22, and Chelsea Protter, 21, both Long Islanders -- at JFK.

He said he wanted to "drop a pastor off at JFK who is doing some medical mission work. Where would I drop him off at your airport?"

The controller advised Maloney to check with the Port Authority.

After Maloney finally landed -- without declaring an emergency -- he incredibly didn't understand why his stunt enraged FAA officials.

"It happens in Alaska all the time!" he told cops, sources said.

"Welcome to New York," a cop replied.

Maloney's high jinks could cost him his pilot's license, and he might be fined.

"He doesn't sound drunk. He doesn't sound stoned. He sounds like a jerk. He was looking for somebody to tell him to do that -- land on the water," a law-enforcement source said after listening to the audio recording.

bill.sanderson@nypost.com

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: VampyreGTX on April 06, 2011, 09:45:39 AM
Nice quote of LiveATC in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/nyregion/06plane.html


ugh.... I was just thinking that this morning about 'Flying Wild Alaska.' I kept telling myself that no way would a pilot mimic something he sees on TV, in blatant violation of ATC instructions, common sense, and probably, multiple FARs.  Looks like I was wrong, as now he's saying that's why he did it?!
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: joeyb747 on April 06, 2011, 09:55:11 AM
Wow...this is a pretty unreal story. I never would have thought a show like "Flying Wild Alaska" would need a "Mythbusters" like "DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" message at the beginning...
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dyson6974 on April 06, 2011, 10:30:31 AM
I went to High School with Clarke Oler, the passenger on this flight, he is not a stranger to drugs and alcohol
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Cloud splitter on April 06, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Wow, this guy was a complete idiot. There is no way this person should have a certification, let alone a license.  He's acting like its all a big joke, and totally uses terrible radio comms.   Sounds like he he was just wanting to land on the beach, with no emergency.  He's never gonna fly again.  And good riddance.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: aevins on April 06, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
That's funny because I was thinking the exact same thing. This guy watches too much Flying Wild Alaska.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dyson6974 on April 06, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
This guy clearly wanted am audience for his stunt, if he wanted to land on the beach so baldly he could have flown east of republic down rober moses beach on the south shore of long island away from radar coverage instead of 3 miles from the approach end of a runway at one of the busiest airports in the world
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: RCO on April 06, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
Kid is in idiot.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: mike_ny on April 06, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
Regarding the comment about maintaining altitude, and reference the flightaware link ...
The previous flight tracked on flightaware, appears to have been conducted with an IFR flight plan.
a. the routing shown as KSWF IGN IGN129 LOVES KFRG
b. the cruise altitude being 5000, (with subsequent descents to 4,000 nd 3,000)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

If he was VFR from Stewart to Republic as theorized, the routing would very unlikely appear in flightaware, (only the track would appear if he received VFR traffic advisories) and he would have been advised by the radar controller to use +500 for VFR altitudes.

All indications were the pilot filed IFR from Stewart to Republic; and then obviously departed KFRG subsequently, VFR ... which should/will be the pilot's last ever, as PIC.  :roll:
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: martyj19 on April 06, 2011, 12:32:36 PM
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

look at his altitude/speed and heading track....looks like he is struggling a bit with headings and power settings
What are you trying to suggest? He wasn't compelled to maintain a certain heading or altitude because he was VFR, though the controller may have issued a restriction at some point or another. But that's not indicative of his physical state or use of drugs or alcohol.

Also, since the airplane is owned by the flying club, this would not be an anti-repossession (or anti-"reprocessing") move. This was clearly done to impress someone.

There's no doubt in my mind that this guy will be heavily fined and revoked at the minimum.

[ Ah I see someone beat me to the same analysis, but ... ]

Folks, the mere fact that there is a FlightAware entry means that it is filed IFR, though it may have been flown in VMC.  That altitude and ground track is not competently flown IFR.
Also if you note the route, it is IGN IGN129 LOVES.  LOVES intersection is a little north of Danbury and he should have turned right and gone direct to FRG at that point.  The ground track shows him meandering way around to the east.  Now of course he could have gotten a reroute or cancelled IFR; we don't know except for FlightAware reporting it as a normal arrival.

The flight that ended up in the water seems to have been after the flight from Stewart to Farmingdale.

Second the sentiment about East Coast Aero Club.  A very nicely run operation, of which I am a customer.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dyson6974 on April 06, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
intrestingly Mr. Maloney asks Republic tower for instructions on how to fly up the hudson before he left republic airport enroute to his final destination, if you listen to the 2230Z to 2300Z tapes from KFRG tower you can hear the pilot asking to fly the hudson.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 06, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
[ Ah I see someone beat me to the same analysis, but ... ]

Folks, the mere fact that there is a FlightAware entry means that it is filed IFR, though it may have been flown in VMC.  That altitude and ground track is not competently flown IFR.
Also if you note the route, it is IGN IGN129 LOVES.  LOVES intersection is a little north of Danbury and he should have turned right and gone direct to FRG at that point.  The ground track shows him meandering way around to the east.  Now of course he could have gotten a reroute or cancelled IFR; we don't know except for FlightAware reporting it as a normal arrival.

The flight that ended up in the water seems to have been after the flight from Stewart to Farmingdale.

Second the sentiment about East Coast Aero Club.  A very nicely run operation, of which I am a customer.


In addition to IFR flights, flights flown VFR w/ VFR Flight Following sometimes (not always) end up in Flightaware as well.

Since there is what *appears* to be part of a standard IFR route (IGN IGN129 LOVES) for that departure/destination pair, it seems safe to assume this was supposed to be an IFR flight.

Dave
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: martyj19 on April 06, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
intrestingly Mr. Maloney asks Republic tower for instructions on how to fly up the hudson before he left republic airport enroute to his final destination, if you listen to the 2230Z to 2300Z tapes from KFRG tower you can hear the pilot asking to fly the hudson.

If anyone else is thinking of doing this, there is a recommended online course that you should take so you know what altitude to be at (there is vertical separation between through and sightseeing traffic), and what the mandatory reporting points are, and that there better be a New York Terminal Area Chart in the airplane.

ALC-79: New York City Special Flight Rules Area (SFRA) on http://www.faasafety.gov/
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: JJacober on April 06, 2011, 01:37:10 PM
I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.

Under the influence of stupid
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: FlyinMN on April 06, 2011, 01:44:54 PM
I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.

Under the influence of stupid

I guess we'll have to go with that. 

From the NY Daily News article: Maloney didn't appear intoxicated and was not tested for drugs or alcohol, police sources said. No criminal charges are expected.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/04/05/2011-04-05_24yearold_pilot_who_landed_on_queens_beach_kept_joking_to_jfk_air_traffic_contro.html#ixzz1IlYgD1Cy
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: mike_ny on April 06, 2011, 01:48:16 PM
[off topic, but if of interest ... or anyone has further definitive info?]
"flights flown VFR w/ VFR Flight Following sometimes (not always) end up in Flightaware." Correct, per Flightaware FAQ's:
Quote
Can FlightAware track VFR flights?
Some VFR aircraft with flight following are available on the position maps but it largely unreliable and arrival/departure/flight plan data is often not available.

One criteria, this appears to be a function of which facility(ies) provide the radar services and whether the flight passes from one ARTCC's airspace into another. i.e. if the VFR flight needs to be entered into "the system" prior to handoff.
-VFR traffic advisories wholly provided by NY TRACON: less likely to appear in flightaware (KHPN to KFRG)
-VFR radar services where the route of flight crosses ARTCC boundaries, NY to Boston ARTCC (KFRG to KMHT), NY to Washington (KFRG to KIAD), NY to Canada (KSWF to CYQB) etc., pretty much always appear in flightaware.
And this is independent of whether the radar facilities are TRACONs or Centers.

A second criteria appears to be whether a Center controller provides VFR radar services. (KBTV to KHFD). These appear to most always be entered into "the system" and therefore, appear on flightaware.

If any real world air traffic controllers in the Northeast US have additional details, information greatly appreciated.
[apology for sidetracking the forum topic thread. :-)]

p.s. the filed, and subsequently assigned arrival, depicted here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG
looks like KSWF IGN LOVES.PWL2 KFRG   (KSWF IGN LOVES ... BDR BELTT DPK KFRG)  ... as shown by the blue dash lines.
Actual track (green line) appears were radar vectors from BDR.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: MikeNYC on April 06, 2011, 03:36:30 PM
Best comment I've seen yet (on another forum)...

Judge: "...do you understand the serious charges that you will be facing?"

Asshat Pilot: "Rah Jaaaaaah!"
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: FlyinMN on April 06, 2011, 05:04:30 PM
Looks like the day after isn't going well either.


Quote
The air-headed pilot who made a dubious emergency landing on a Rockaways beach was rushed to the hospital Wednesday.

Jason Maloney, 24, had been sequestered at his Cornwall, N.Y., home since his dramatic splashdown Monday night.

Embarrassing recordings captured Maloney cracking jokes at air traffic controllers and offering baffling, conflicting reasons for wanting to land.


Maloney was carried shoeless from his home in a chair by medical workers Wednesday, who transferred him to a gurney and loaded him into an ambulance.

He was experiencing seizures, an emergency worker said.

Maloney landed in shallow water with two passengers aboard Monday after telling air traffic controllers he had an engine running "a little teensy, teensy bit rough."


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/04/06/2011-04-06_24yearold_pilot_who_landed_plane_on_queens_beach_rushed_to_hospital_for_seizures.html#ixzz1ImMxZB5V
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 06, 2011, 05:17:24 PM
If any real world air traffic controllers in the Northeast US have additional details, information greatly appreciated.
[apology for sidetracking the forum topic thread. :-)]

Whether a track makes it to Flightaware and other tracking services depends on whether the tail number ends up in the National Airspace System (NAS) computers.

Here is what I know about that makes it into the NAS:

1) All IFR flights.
2) VFR Flight Following flights that cross ARTCC and TRACON boundaries (but not all).

Most TRACON/Approach Control facilities have their own set of "internal" squawk codes that are used inside their airspace.  Those flights, as I understand it, never make it into the NAS.  So, for example, if you stay within Boston Approach airspace you will get a squawk code that is only used inside the Boston TRACON.  If you decide to leave the TRACON airspace, for example to go down into Bradley airspace, and still want VFR Flight Following, they will re-issue your squawk code and assign one from the NAS squawk code blocks.

Sometimes when you cross from TRACON to TRACON as a VFR flight they won't be able to effect a handoff - and you have to all the next TRACON for a new squawk code.

-Dave

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: mielsonwheals on April 06, 2011, 05:55:10 PM
as if it wasn't already obvious why its not alright to casually land on a public beach...

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-03-16/news/27059193_1_emergency-landing-small-plane-pilot-and-passenger
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Tunaheart on April 06, 2011, 06:06:31 PM
There could be one logical explanantion , i.e CO poisoning in the cockpit which would explain the sick passeneger as well, but considering his behavior prior to taking off from Republic it seems hes just an idiot or a drugged up pilot.

His behavior if voluntary should be used as an example and he should be fined, license revoked and even criminally prosecuted.  He gives us all a black eye..

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Fred_Garvin on April 06, 2011, 07:14:09 PM
I don't know this guy but I know some like him.   Long on book learning short on common sense.  Never really held responsible for his actions till he gets out in the real world and learns the hard way.

Besides the immediate  damage to the aircraft I  hate to think what that salt water bath is going to do long term
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: hudsonriver on April 06, 2011, 08:23:02 PM
First time poster here.  I heard this loony bin fly into SWF from FRG on Sunday.  I've been listening to ATC for over 15 years, and thought this guy to be downright dangerous.  After reading the news articles and seeing N132ND splashed all over them, I wanted to share what I heard upstate:

If you look at the track log in Flightaware on that flight (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110403/1445Z/KFRG/KSWF), you'll see the track ends in the mountainous river valley area, southeast of SWF.  He was with NY Approach on 132.75 talking about being low - something about 1200', if I remember correctly.  Suddenly, several quotes of 'JESUS!'  'WOW!'  'WOAH!' were broadcast on the frequency - 'ND got taken for a ride in the windy conditions over the mountains that day, and it was definitely a scary moment to listen to.  I don't know if he wanted to get up close and personal with the scenery or what, but the plane must've gotten tossed about bigtime.  He even got scolded by another pilot on frequency that he was transmitting such things on the air and needed to keep that inside.  Anyway, after the excitement, he progressed to SWF for landing on 34.  He made a reference to Top Gun and going 'really really fast' down the runway, and requested a low approach to go around again for landing.  As with JFK tower, he was trying to be chatty with SWF tower as well (who, rightly so, also wanted no part of it).

Sorry, I don't broadcast my feed (yet?) to LiveATC.  Just wanted to share this, as I found it pretty unprofessional of someone who 'plays' in an industry where professionalism is required 24/7.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dylanh on April 06, 2011, 09:03:58 PM
...you'll see the track ends in the hilly river valley area, southeast of SWF.  He was with NY Approach on 132.75 talking about being low - something about 1200', if I remember correctly.  Suddenly, several quotes of 'JESUS!'  'WOW!'  'WOAH!' were broadcast on the frequency - 'ND got taken for a ride in the windy conditions over the hills that day, and it was definitely a scary moment to listen to.
Fixed.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: KBED1185 on April 06, 2011, 09:53:31 PM
This airplane was in perfectly good shape prior to this landing (verified by the owner today).

I flew alongside it all the way back from North Dakota when it was transported out here about 8 years ago.  I was flying a different (faster) aircraft from UND out here at the time.  I just remembered this today - hard to forget since the trip took a week due to weather!  The aircraft (the Piper Cherokee) was on a "Day VFR Only" restriction by the FSDO but was inspected and any small issues resolved once it got back here.

By the way, East Coast Aero Club is a top-notch flight school and maintenance is one of their strong points - they are meticulous.  I did my instrument training there and highly recommend them (for those near Boston, MA, Nashua, NH, or Norwood, MA).



Dave, you never got the chance to fly 2ND during your instrument training at Hanscom? I have flown this aircraft dozens of times during my Private-SEL training at East Coast, including recently - with no issues whatsoever.

I second your comment regarding the flight school/club's maintenance practices, they keep a number of heavily-used aircraft in excellent condition and pay close attention to pertinent pilot squawks for maintenance, which is critical.

Overall, East Coast has had some terrible luck with their aircraft over the past few years, but they remain one of the best in the country at what they do.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 06, 2011, 09:56:10 PM
Nope...mainly flew N75202 and a couple others.  Took my checkride in N75202.  Then went on to fly almost all the Arrows on the line.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: gcampb on April 07, 2011, 01:10:47 AM
Surprised the FAA has not issued an emergency revocation of his certificate.  Technically this guy could get back in an a/c and fly right now.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: andrej on April 07, 2011, 02:01:36 AM
The kid sounds so weird! I hate this annoying 'roger' calls. Maybe he was trying to show off in-front of this friends, maybe or maybe he is a lost case. But kudos to ATC for being so patient with him.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: tyson766 on April 07, 2011, 07:04:48 AM
I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.

Hepped up on goofballs.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: dave on April 07, 2011, 09:11:56 AM
http://www.flightschoollist.com/aviation-articles/2011/04/pilot-may-lose-license-over-beach-landing/
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: englishpilot on April 07, 2011, 10:47:47 AM
I would like to add - I hope that NY sues him for the cost of the emergency services & helicopter & the recovery costs not to mention the insurance company - they ought to sue him through subrogation.

Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Hollis on April 07, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
Not to put a damper on all the comments and speculations about the 'bad' guy's behavior, let me postulate this, based on several previous comments and other info:
1. Ill passenger on board, who was subsequently hospitalized.
2. Possible excessive CO, or a medical condition from other causes, known as  prime causes of Anoxia or Hypoxia, the result of which can lead to feelings of euphoria and subsequent seizures as a result. Sound familiar? I hope he gets a Catscan and an MRI.
I only say this because, as the saying goes, 'been there, done that'.

 
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Fred_Garvin on April 07, 2011, 03:05:30 PM
I am interested to hear about your experience  if it is something you want to share.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: tomgallagher on April 07, 2011, 05:18:13 PM
Sounds like a case for pulling his ticket.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Hollis on April 07, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
My experiences? Had a few, but a closely related one goes like this:
Climb to the altitude where the unpressurized fuel (fuel boost off) starts to 'boil'. Shut down turbine engine and try restarts to determine highest altitude at which the engine will start. 1st attempt, hot start. 2nd attempt, hot start, 3rd attempt, Uh oh. ICS went dead, gyro tumbled, lost all electric instrumentation. Intinctively, I keyed the mic and declared a Mayday, again and again. Got no response. A check of the battery voltage showed a big fat zero. (Found out later that it had a dead short). Got a visual on our home airport and silently headed on down.
Just for reference, we had been operating at altitudes between 22,000 and
 25,000 ft. unpressurized and without any O2 on board. Easy to do if you breathe real slow and real deep while there, but only fora limited time.
Finally, after that very long descent, entered the left crosswind leg at which point I actually opened and began yelling out the side window 'Mayday, mayday, mayday - engine out'. Of course no one heard me, but we laughed as we did the LH pattern to touchdown which turned out to be a bit short of the runway. More laughs.  
  
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: Fred_Garvin on April 07, 2011, 06:34:27 PM
That makes me think of the Kalitta flight I heard on Liveatc some time back where the pilot struggled to pronounce every word.

Since this was at low altitude I assume it would be something like Carbon monoxide?
I thought the symptoms of that were more feeling sick or drowsy.  He certainly can't be accused of sounding drowsy!   

Thanks for telling your story. I think you can learn more in one "there I was" story than in text on theory.   Sounds like you did a great job to get it down
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: slacktide on April 07, 2011, 07:02:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: kdraper on April 07, 2011, 07:19:01 PM
It is idiots like this that give general aviation a bad name!!!
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: n6256c on April 07, 2011, 11:00:42 PM
This guy is a total idiot and he should lose his ticket permanently. 
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: FlyinMN on April 08, 2011, 12:02:24 PM
First time poster here.  I heard this loony bin fly into SWF from FRG on Sunday.  I've been listening to ATC for over 15 years, and thought this guy to be downright dangerous.  After reading the news articles and seeing N132ND splashed all over them, I wanted to share what I heard upstate:

If you look at the track log in Flightaware on that flight (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110403/1445Z/KFRG/KSWF), you'll see the track ends in the mountainous river valley area, southeast of SWF.  He was with NY Approach on 132.75 talking about being low - something about 1200', if I remember correctly.  Suddenly, several quotes of 'JESUS!'  'WOW!'  'WOAH!' were broadcast on the frequency - 'ND got taken for a ride in the windy conditions over the mountains that day, and it was definitely a scary moment to listen to.  I don't know if he wanted to get up close and personal with the scenery or what, but the plane must've gotten tossed about bigtime.  He even got scolded by another pilot on frequency that he was transmitting such things on the air and needed to keep that inside.  Anyway, after the excitement, he progressed to SWF for landing on 34.  He made a reference to Top Gun and going 'really really fast' down the runway, and requested a low approach to go around again for landing.  As with JFK tower, he was trying to be chatty with SWF tower as well (who, rightly so, also wanted no part of it).

Sorry, I don't broadcast my feed (yet?) to LiveATC.  Just wanted to share this, as I found it pretty unprofessional of someone who 'plays' in an industry where professionalism is required 24/7.

Would love to hear that audio if you have it.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: keith on April 08, 2011, 02:34:13 PM
I suspect the FAA would like to hear it, too, if they're working on building a case against him.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: hudsonriver on April 08, 2011, 04:38:55 PM
Would love to hear that audio if you have it.

Nope, I don't record anything.  Just happened to be listening to the scanner while it was going on.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: themulletburden on April 10, 2011, 03:37:18 PM
Are we sure this wasn't Tim Martins??
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: LockedinIMC on April 11, 2011, 07:45:39 AM
Are we sure this wasn't Tim Martins??

 :lol: :-D :-D
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: RPM on April 12, 2011, 01:01:52 AM
This arrogant punk of a pilot (and I use the term "pilot" very loosely) should have his ticket lifted and never be allowed to fly again. He clearly has the WRONG attitude about flying and will kill someone someday unless he is stopped in his tracks now.

I hope the FAA throws the book at him.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: LtCracker on April 12, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.

Hepped up on goofballs.

Was that a KoL reference?
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: idriveplanes on July 03, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
For punishment, they should send this kid over to Ice Pilots.  Buffalo Joe would break him.
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: nealoc187 on January 14, 2012, 04:39:35 PM
Anyone know what happened with this jagoff? 
Title: Re: Piper N132ND Beach Landing near JFK
Post by: flyflyfly on January 15, 2012, 06:28:22 AM
No idea. But since we haven't heard anything new from him on this site, you could make a guess... :wink: