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Offline neondesert

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Old Habbits Die Hard
« on: September 30, 2010, 06:10:25 PM »
Caught this one while listening to KLAS Tower this afternoon. 

I guess it's going to be a while before Line Up and Wait is second nature.  :-D



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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 06:31:34 PM »
 :lol: Position..eh Line up and wait   :-P

Offline squeegeeboy

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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 04:55:43 PM »
Bet there's a lot of that going on, haha. I'm sure with time it'll be no big deal and everyone will forget the old phraseology.

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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2010, 01:32:59 AM »
She was getting it right before, but she managed to slip up...

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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2010, 12:29:52 AM »
I'm from outside the industry so this may be a stupid question however...

Why was it changed from "Position and Hold" to "Line Up and Wait"?

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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2010, 05:58:57 AM »
Why was it changed from "Position and Hold" to "Line Up and Wait"?

FAA's reasons are explained here:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/great_lakes/airports_resources/certification_bulletins/media/10-10.pdf

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In July 2000, the National Transportation Board (NTSB) recommended that FAA phraseology be amended to require the use of standard ICAO phraseology for airport surface operations to further reduce the risk of runway incursions. In addition, the Air Traffic Procedures Advisory Committee requested FAA revise U.S. policy to require the use of the ICAO phrase, “line up and wait”, rather than “position and hold.”

The FAA conducted a safety risk analysis and determined that the use of the words, “position and hold,” are found in a number of air traffic surface instructions, which potentially misleads pilots when only partial communications are heard. Adoption of the “Line up and Wait” phraseology provides a unique instruction for pilots to position their aircraft onto a runway from a holding position.

And here's an animation for the use of the new phraseology:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/news/current_events/lauw/media/LUAWv3Webversion.swf
« Last Edit: October 17, 2010, 06:03:25 AM by flyflyfly »

alltheway

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Re: Old Habbits Die Hard
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 07:32:14 AM »
And here's an animation for the use of the new phraseology:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/news/current_events/lauw/media/LUAWv3Webversion.swf

So it is only used for Cessna's and Pipers......  :evil: