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Air Traffic Monitoring => Aviation Audio Clips => Topic started by: rekno13 on July 25, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
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First heard by evilcuban
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/
Left most of the EVA638 communication in.
I tried to keep the time frame correct going from tower to ROBER
EDIT: original file removed due to big size, sorry didn't know how to make it smaller. Please see below post by kea001 for much smaller file.
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Great job, thanks!
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I guess my question is, if EVA was down to 400, why didn't they just land EVA?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EVA638/history/20090725/1404Z/KATL/KJFK/tracklog
Wouldn't it be safer for EVA to just land?
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You can run but you can't hide.
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It's an RV, what a surprise.
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Thanks for the great file.
When you render these files, please make sure you render the file as small as possible as there is a limited amount of server space. I've taken your file and rendered it to 1.3 mb size.
I find optimum settings for rendering small files to be as follows:
Sample Rate: 16000 Hz
Channels: Mono
193pct Sync
Quality: Standard
16 kbps
Dave may send you an email requiring you to redo your project for the aforementioned reason.
Just take the attached file and put it in place of the one you have there now.
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Ah, thank you sir. I am new to uploading audio files to the internet.
Thank you for the advice, changing my audacity settings now.
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I guess my question is, if EVA was down to 400, why didn't they just land EVA?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EVA638/history/20090725/1404Z/KATL/KJFK/tracklog
Wouldn't it be safer for EVA to just land?
That doesn't mean EVA was at 400 when the go around was initiated. It takes time from the moment the control says go around before the plane stops descending. Also it's impossible to say what is safer just by looking at a abstract track log from one of the planes involved.
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Ah! That is very true. Sorry for questioning the ATC. I know better!
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great clip!
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Great Catch. I was at KFRG when the NYPD chopper escorted this guy in. Thanks
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Great Catch. I was at KFRG when the NYPD chopper escorted this guy in. Thanks
...and what happened?
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Handcuffs.... And then local PD showed up to excort him away. His aircraft was left at the terminal when I was leaving and there was talk of someone from the FAA arriving to inspect the aircraft and then talk to the pilot.
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Not something you hear everyday, especially in NY! Great catch!
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Here is a clip of the aircraft inbound to KFRG. I removed some incidental transmissions and, although I left in the section where Ground gave the aircraft the facility's telephone number, I edited the clip so that it is kept private.
The violator seems to try and establish contact with Tower several times before she establishes contact with the aircraft. I think perhaps Tower was confused by the fact that the plane was able to make radio transmissions since she was told the aircraft was not responsive.
Enjoy!
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I was working that day although I wasn't on the frequency at that point. I'm not sure what this idiot was doing but she (?) really caused problems for several aircraft, not just the EGF & the EVA. I can't believe there still ahsn't been any media coverage of this event!
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I can't believe there still ahsn't been any media coverage of this event!
Yah I've been looking for some sort of follow up in the media myself. I'd really like to know what the person's "excuse" is. Either he's a absolute moron with so little awareness what's going on around him that he probably shouldn't even have a drivers license, or there has to be some sort of mental issue going on. You figure if he had wanted to do something malicious he had chance to and wouldn't have cooperated with the PD once they got his attention.
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At one point the pilot looked like they had a death wish. Crazy day.
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Puzzled-Pilot-Terrorizes-JFK.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Puzzled-Pilot-Terrorizes-JFK.html)
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WING DING-DONG CONFUSED VA. PILOT TERRORIZES JFK
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292009/news/regionalnews/wing_ding_dong_181855.htm
I saved the graphic for posterity. I wonder if they paid SkanknTodd for the photo?
You can see the original photo here:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/
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I'm really disappointed that no charges have been filed. At the least, there should be a massive fine.
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What horrible, sensationalized, and inaccurate reporting. And the article from NBC was just a paraphrased version of the NY Post one. Use of the word "terrorize" is almost laughable, but I guess that's New Yorkers.
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WING DING-DONG CONFUSED VA. PILOT TERRORIZES JFK
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292009/news/regionalnews/wing_ding_dong_181855.htm
I saved the graphic for posterity. I wonder if they paid SkanknTodd for the photo?
You can see the original photo here:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/
Yah, once someone takes a picture they hold the copyright to it. Unless he explicitly give up his right it's a clear copyright violation. Even if liveatc was the copyright holder, merely slapping the name of the website on there isn't sufficient. The Post knows that and figures it's easier to do the wrong thing and hope then don't get caught then to do the right thing to begin with.
I'm really disappointed that no charges have been filed. At the least, there should be a massive fine.
I have to it's merely a matter of nothing's happened yet. I can't imagine the FAA letting this guy get away scot free.
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Wondered if he paid the optional $33 fee to AOPA for Legal Services?
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What horrible, sensationalized, and inaccurate reporting. And the article from NBC was just a paraphrased version of the NY Post one. Use of the word "terrorize" is almost laughable, but I guess that's New Yorkers.
Yeah, those NYers who have never known actual terror... :? :? :?
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How could this happen? This guy has a commercial pilot rating! :?
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It could happen to someone who wasn't prepared with multiple ways of determining his position during the flight (pilotage, ded reckoning, VOR cross checks and GPS). Perhaps he was relying solely on one method, and hadn't planned for any of the others when the sole method failed him (handheld GPS running out of batteries, for example).
Perhaps he thought he was approaching FRG, turned inland, couldn't spot the airport, then did some 360's while he worked it out.
The sad truth is that, in absence of a sudden medical issue, it should've been easy to avoid this problem with some really basic planning prior to the flight. That he should've been more prepared to fly through some of the most complex airspace in the country.
A plan as simple as, "if the GPS craps out, stay along the shoreline at 400ft until passing the first bridge approaching the Jones Beach Monument, then climb to 3500. At the monument, turn left to hdg 040, climb to a higher altitude (below 4000) and look for FRG dead ahead. " If equipped with VOR, he could stay on the shoreline until hitting the DPK R-221 then head to DPK, looking for FRG off the left.
This plan took about 5-7 seconds to formulate by looking at the TAC, and would've worked in good weather regardless of the nav equipment on board.
It would be very interesting to find out what caused him to get lost, and his thought process once he was lost (if that's what happened). At the VERY least, once he was lost, why he would not contact ATC is beyond me. A quick look at the chart shows that if you were heading to FRG, and got lost, JFK could easily become a factor, and on that basis alone, he should've wasted no time and called SOMEONE for help. If nothing else, that's what I learned from thinking through this.