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Offline retro11

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ny centre in a tizzie
« on: September 22, 2010, 06:58:56 PM »
busy kennedy right now always throws up a few gems (you want to go to sfo @ 10,000 ft ?)



Offline cptbrw

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 08:07:37 PM »
I love listening to that controller when he's working ground on nights like these.  He's got more planes than space, needs to park planes waiting for their routes to open up, get planes back to gates because of the 3 hour rule, and all along his humor keeps things light even though nobody is really happy.

Offline Robert Larson

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 09:14:12 AM »
help a newbie pilot out... what was the controller trying to sell these guys? What was the SFO @ 10,000' all about?

Offline w0x0f

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 10:15:59 AM »
Departing at 10,000 feet would keep the aircraft out of the New York Center airspace.  We call this going tower enroute. 

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Offline stweaver321

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 08:41:34 PM »
But at 10,000 feet, it would require something like double the fuel and you'd only be going about half the speed.  Don't quote those figures, just making a point.

Offline klkm

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 01:22:35 AM »
ZNY was in SWAP (severe weather avoidance plan) at the time, I dunno if 10,000ft was a exaggeration "10,000ft to SFO" is not really what would happen.  If you accept a SWAP routing you are advised to not ask for higher, and not to expect higher until leaving new york center.  So they would depart with a clearance limit of say 10,000ft, typically SWAP routings max out at about 22,000ft until the next centers airspace,  if traffic permits you may get higher, but its unlikely.  If there are no departures getting out there are just as many planes circling about waiting to get in, hence why traffic departing gets stuck at low altitudes for a loooonggg time.  Most won't take the routing, but some will.  Some SWAP routing is not so restrictive, depends on the weather, the route, and the traffic load.  Here is a summary of ZNY SWAP exact briefing controllers get as well...    http://westchesteraviation.org/documents/WAA-SWAP-mtg-6-22-10.ppt

Offline w0x0f

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 04:28:52 PM »
But at 10,000 feet, it would require something like double the fuel and you'd only be going about half the speed.  Don't quote those figures, just making a point.

That would explain the popularity of the idea.  It is intended to get aircraft that are willing to accept the cost airborne.

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Offline fryguy71

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 05:06:56 PM »
I had the pleasure of being on JetBlue 647 that evening and waiting for the weather to clear.  Quite a long wait but we got out just before having to return to the terminal for the second time based on the 2 hour rule.  Kudos to the flight crew for keeping us informed and updated throughout.

Offline snipper_cr

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Re: ny centre in a tizzie
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 12:01:53 PM »
Those were some good ones.

"Hold behind the line of guys who dont get to go!"

"Where is the swiss?" - "He's originally from Europe!"