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Air Traffic Monitoring => Aviation Audio Clips => Topic started by: Fryy/Avocadoflight on December 07, 2015, 01:46:40 AM
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On December 04, 2015 a Hawker 800 made a gear up landing at KPSP - Palm Springs, CA. I did my best to condense about 2 hours of audio into just over 10mins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwzy4SFrjw
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They did an awesome job when touching down...
Thanks for working this out!! :-) :-)
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Hey!
I'm working a graphical video about this and... when they are cleared to PSP holding "east, whatever miles, whatever minutes", that means hold on the eastern side of PSP VOR? Or the inbound heading is 090ยบ?
Have some doubts about that...
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A holding clearance gives the general direction (e,w,n,s,se,sw,ne,nw) from the fix that the holding pattern will be and then (normally) specifies the exact radial and other hold details as needed. In this case, without listening again I don't think the controller specified the 090 radial, but I think that was the intent.
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He literally says: "Hawker 164WC, hold East of the Palm Springs VOR. 10 mile legs. Right turns, maintain 6000"
I guess it was 090 radial :-)
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The thing is that, it seems not... :? :?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N164WC/history/20151204/1900Z/KMSO/KPSP
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1) VOR's are oriented to magnetic north.
2) I'm not sure what map projection FlightAware uses, but the only place it would be geographically correct would be the center of CONUS. Look at the Canadian border.
They were on the 090 radial.
ETA - here's an image of the PSP VOR on the low-level charts as depicted in ForeFlight, which orients charts true north up when not in motion:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/19f3721a6dbc90c94c11b266ea9724ea.jpg)