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Title: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: vicosh on January 03, 2009, 10:47:37 AM

A plane that took off from 22L made an unauthorized right turn and "almost ran into the guy on 22R (DAL132)".

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: cessna157 on January 03, 2009, 03:07:06 PM

I was told about an incident either last night (1/2 or 1/1) at JFK where a Freedom aircraft landed on 22L, taxied right across 22R while an aircraft was its departure roll.  The departing aircraft's crew has been removed from duty to debrief the incident.

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: cessna157 on January 03, 2009, 03:25:09 PM

Quote from: cessna157 on January 03, 2009, 03:07:06 PM

I was told about an incident either last night (1/2 or 1/1) at JFK where a Freedom aircraft landed on 22L, taxied right across 22R while an aircraft was its departure roll.  The departing aircraft's crew has been removed from duty to debrief the incident.

Freedumb was actually departing 31L, either on the Breezy Point or Canarsie climb.  Being a WAVEY departure, I think that puts him a Canarsie climb, if I remember correctly.  Not sure if he didn't make the 2nd turn at Canarsie or what. 

It sounds as if the pilot blames it on the FMS.  Unfortunately, you are still in command of the aircraft and are supposed to make sure it goes where you tell it to.  Per our manuals/procedures, my airline is not permitted to use any automation for the Canarsie and Breezy Point climbs.  We must navigate by the old style VOR tracking (if the weather is good, I usually make the first turn to CRI visually since I know exactly where the VOR is).

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: vicosh on January 03, 2009, 03:45:45 PM

You're right Cessna157. Freedom 6277 was departing 31L. My mistake....

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: Аэрофлот Jr. on January 03, 2009, 05:02:24 PM

i'm kinda confuseddd . whts happenin ?

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: bogman on January 03, 2009, 05:03:09 PM

what could happen to these pilots after this incident?

It cold have been a bad incident.


Bogman

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: kl on February 12, 2009, 12:33:44 AM

When departing 31l and 22r  at the same time breezy points only for 31l depts

Title: Re: KJFK Unauthorized turn could bring to a collision
Post by: aviator_06 on February 14, 2009, 11:16:36 AM

Sounds like someone didn't listen to instructions...