Author Topic: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)  (Read 53248 times)

Offline sunburn

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Hello. I came across this on YouTube and I just thought I'd share.
It's a video taken from the dash of a Speedbird B777 and shows a night approach at JFK. Canarsie VOR with visual transition and full audio.

I rather enjoyed this. Apologies if you've already seen it before.

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Offline dan9125

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 06:49:50 PM »
Great video, how many sets of approach lights did he pass over?
I could watch cockpit videos for hours!

 like this one perhaps-->

dan

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 08:34:41 PM »
Depending on the runway in use, it's called the Canarsie slam dunk!

Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 06:35:32 AM »
Thats a really interesting approach and very cool video! Used up every bit of the TDZ  8-)
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 07:48:17 AM »
TDZ ?

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Regards, Peter
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 04:22:18 PM »
Great video, how many sets of approach lights did he pass over?

You can see the location of the light clusters on the approach plate (the circles):

http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0701/00610PARKWAY_VIS13LR.PDF

Great video.

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 07:31:06 AM »
some good coaching from the captain there!

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Speedbird B777 video question
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 09:23:39 AM »
Couple questions:
  What does mean when he says "your in the slot"? What does "50 above" mean by the automated female voice, then decide?  What were they refering to when they kept saying 430. At what point do you drop the gear on an approach and when do you go from flaps 05 to flaps 20? 

 Really cool video, I think ive watched it 10 times!

  Dan

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 07:49:45 PM »
"You're in the slot" means, i believe, you're on the correct glidepath.

"50 above" is the TAWS warning - 50 feet above the terrain right below them.

"Decide" - your at minimums for the approach, continue or go missed.

"430" would be the descent rate in feet per minute.

You drop the gear when the flying pilot asks for it, generally around the outer marker or final approach fix (in this case).

Flaps are added as needed, so maybe he was a little high and needed to come down a litter faster without gaining too much speed.

Hope this helps,
Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 12:01:19 PM »
"50 above" is the TAWS warning - 50 feet above the terrain right below them.

No, that would have been just "50!"

The alert "50 above!" is 50 feet above the MDA/DA set in the alerter.  Thus, it comes right before "Decide!"


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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 03:08:59 PM »
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50 feet above the MDA/DA set in the alerter

What is MDA/DA ?

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 03:44:10 PM »
Minimum Descent Altitude/Decision Height

The point at which a pilot must decide if he will continue the approach or go around. Pilot must have visual of the runway or runway lead-in lights to continue.

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 04:21:15 PM »
Pilot must have visual of the runway or runway lead-in lights to continue.

Except on a CAT III (autoland) approach.  ;-) 
Regards, Peter
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2007, 10:00:28 PM »
Peter, correction, on a CAT IIIc.

;)

Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2007, 10:43:34 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 02:45:29 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

You mean it has no DA.  ;)

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2007, 03:56:03 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

You mean it has no DA.  ;)

Greg

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how are you guys? first post for me
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2007, 04:49:23 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

You mean it has no DA.  ;)

Greg

you know your stuff!


how are you guys? first post for me
-Alex

Thanks... :-)

I hope so, i have to take a written test on Saturday. Little nervous.

Thanks and welcome aboard.

Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2007, 05:50:13 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

You mean it has no DA.  ;)

Greg

Technically it has neither  :-D

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2007, 05:55:18 PM »
Correct. It does, however, have an "alert altitude" at 100 feet.

Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2007, 06:17:55 PM »
Except that a CAT IIIC approach has no MVA/DH  :-P

You mean it has no DA.  ;)

Greg

you know your stuff!


how are you guys? first post for me
-Alex

Thanks... :-)

I hope so, i have to take a written test on Saturday. Little nervous.

Thanks and welcome aboard.

Greg

Well thanks for welcoming me.
And I wish you luck on your test!!

-Alex
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2007, 06:22:53 PM »
My pleasure and thank you!  ;)

Greg

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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »
You mean it has no DA.  ;)

DA, Greg?   I think you might be mixing up the two acronyms.

DH, as in Decision Height, is what typically applies to precision approaches, such as an ILS approach.
MDA, as in Minimum Decent Altitude, is what typically applies to non-precision approaches.

In regards to types of CAT III approaches and published DHs, both CAT IIIA and CAT IIIB can have only RVR minimums without a published DH.

Here's an example from JFK (NY).  Note that the minimums table at the bottom only indicate an RVR minimum but no DH: 

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00610I4RC3.PDF




Regards, Peter
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Re: KJFK Approach, Carnarsie Visual Transition 13L. Speedbird B777 (VIDEO)
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2007, 07:13:38 PM »
Peter, at this stage in the game, i hope i'm not mixing these things up.

DA = Decision Altitude. This refers to the MSL altitude printed on charts.

DH = Decision Height is a distance (height) above the touchdown zone and is reserved for approaches that use radar altimetry for the missed approach point.

For the category I ILS approach, the missed point is an altitude and is listed in MSL figures. The number in parenthesis is the height above the touchdown zone and there is a difference between them. You cannot use that height for that approach, as the terrain below you is not factored at that point. The height is for information only, the altitude (DA) is the limiting factor of the approach.

So DA is the ILS MAP for CAT I approaches.

Minor differences, but still differences.

Greg