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Offline aevins

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 11:28:11 PM »
http://www.natca.org/rss/jfk-nearmiss-070708.aspx

Looks like they got the audio off of the archives here?

Offline KSYR-pjr

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 07:02:18 AM »
Looks like they got the audio off of the archives here?

Nope, looks like aevins is correct.  It appears that Fox News took the audio clip from here without giving Dave's site credit and they even have the audacity to publish this copyright statement at the bottom of their article with the clip, "Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed."

Consider the facts:  The Fox NY audio link produces a downloaded MP3 file that is 31:44 in duration, 3,808,128 bytes in size, has an audio bitrate of 16kbps, and is tagged with the following text:  "KJFK - KFK TOWER - JUL-06-2008-0030Z"

With the exception of Fox's audio clip file name (which is very easily changed), these listed file characteristics match exactly the file downloaded from LiveATC's archive.



edit: spelling

« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 08:41:20 AM by KSYR-pjr »
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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 09:06:50 AM »
Sorry for the dumb question - but does anyone know approx when in the clip the event happened?

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 12:44:49 PM »
Looks like they got the audio off of the archives here?

Nope, looks like aevins is correct.  It appears that Fox News took the audio clip from here without giving Dave's site credit and they even have the audacity to publish this copyright statement at the bottom of their article with the clip, "Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed."

Consider the facts:  The Fox NY audio link produces a downloaded MP3 file that is 31:44 in duration, 3,808,128 bytes in size, has an audio bitrate of 16kbps, and is tagged with the following text:  "KJFK - KFK TOWER - JUL-06-2008-0030Z"

With the exception of Fox's audio clip file name (which is very easily changed), these listed file characteristics match exactly the file downloaded from LiveATC's archive.



edit: spelling



Yea thats what I meant by here. (liveatc.net) 

Offline KSYR-pjr

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 01:15:20 PM »
Yea thats what I meant by here. (liveatc.net) 

Oh, I thought you were referring to the ATC link you posted.
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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 04:37:58 PM »
most of the audio is attached from this incident.

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 04:52:04 PM »
Time to change your shorts.... =)
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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 10:10:06 AM »
man i wish the news would do an investigation on EVERY incident that happens DAILY around the country...it would be a 6-7 hour program.

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 10:22:32 AM »
http://www.natca.org/rss/jfk-nearmiss-070708.aspx

Looks like they got the audio off of the archives here?

Yup, NATCA, the AP, and FOX news all took the clip from our site without any contact with us.  FOX even broadcasted it in a story yesterday.

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 05:01:32 PM »
Take those journo b**stards to court! Their all full of sh*t

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 09:00:42 PM »
Do you really think liveatc.net has some kind of copyright on recordings of ATC transmissions?

It would have been courteous to acknowledge the source, but this site hardly owns the content.

Offline KSYR-pjr

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Re: Kennedy Not So Near Miss
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 09:50:19 PM »
Do you really think liveatc.net has some kind of copyright on recordings of ATC transmissions?

It would have been courteous to acknowledge the source, but this site hardly owns the content.

The content, no, but the delivery method?  Yes.

If I were to videotape a public scene, does my video tape automatically become public domain that can be taken by news organizations without my approval?
Regards, Peter
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