Author Topic: Delta 89 Engine Failure - B-777 Fuel dump over Los Angeles 1-14-2020  (Read 1934 times)

Offline ErikGun

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Here is the Compiled Audio from Tower, SoCal Departure, Final Approach, and back to Tower.

Some communication is missed due to audio feeds having multiple frequency on scanner, but 80-90%+ of the communications is there.


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Re: Delta 89 Engine Failure - B-777 Fuel dump over Los Angeles 1-14-2020
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 07:22:39 AM »

A Delta Air Lines pilot was roughly five minutes into a flight from Los Angeles International Airport en route to Shanghai on Tuesday when he radioed to the airport control tower that he was having problems with the right engine on the jetliner.

"We have an emergency at this time," the pilot says calmly, according to a recording obtained at, a website that streams and archives air traffic control audio. "We need to return to LAX for [an] engine compressor stall."

Less than a minute later, a controller asks whether the pilot needs to return to the airport immediately or needs to "hold to burn fuel." The pilot responds that they've "got it back under control," will slow down, stay out of terrain and turn back to the airport. The controller asks about fuel again."OK, so you don't need to hold to dump fuel or anything like that?" he asks the pilot. The pilot responds: "Negative."

Yet less than 20 minutes later the jet, flying at about 2,300 feet, dumped fuel over Park Avenue Elementary in Cudahy, dousing schoolchildren on the playground and sparking outrage in a community that's been at the center of environmental injustices for decades in Los Angeles County. Dozens of people — many of them children — were treated by paramedics, but no one was seriously injured.

Communications between air traffic controllers and the pilot raise questions about why the plane's main operator chose to dump fuel over the residential area minutes before descending into LAX.

During emergency situations, air crews will typically notify air traffic control and indicate they need to dump fuel. The controllers will then direct a plane to the appropriate fuel-dumping area. This did not happen during Tuesday's brief flight, according to officials with the Federal Aviation Administration, which is investigating the incident.

When pilots dump fuel, they typically try to do so above 10,000 feet and over a body of water, such as an ocean, but ideally it should be done at higher elevations so the fuel will turn into mist and dissipate, away from populated areas.

"In this emergency situation, the fuel-dumping procedure did not occur at an optimal altitude that would have allowed the fuel to atomize properly," the FAA said in a statement.

Delta spokesperson Adrian Gee said Tuesday the pilot was forced to dump fuel over an urban area to reduce the plane's weight before the return landing. It was not immediately clear how much fuel was dropped or what happened between the pilot's last public communications with air traffic control and the time he landed at the airport at 11:56 a.m.

Delta did not respond Wednesday to a request from The Times for further information.

Ross Aimer, CEO of Aero Consulting Experts, said fuel dumping is very rare and is used only in case of emergencies or if pilots have to reach a safe landing weight.

"Most pilots choose not to dump fuel unless the emergency really dictates it," Aimer said.

In Tuesday's incident, the plane was experiencing a compressor stall, according to transmissions between the pilot and the airport tower as well as a radio call the Los Angeles Fire Department received at 11:47 a.m.

"We have a Boeing triple 7, call sign Delta 89, reporting a compressor stall, 181 souls on board, 12 hours of fuel, ETA less than five minutes," an LAFD firefighter said.

When the compressor of a plane's engine stalls, it can cause a loss of airflow through an engine, which can cause the engine to fail.

However, compressor stalls are relatively common and aren't typically considered a dire emergency that would necessitate an immediate landing, according to safety expert and aviation consultant Richard Ditchey.

"Dumping is literally a toggle-switch. How much fuel you dump is a decision that the captain or ground control would make," he said.

Whether the instruction to release the fuel came from ground control at Delta operations, the ultimate decision-maker would be the pilot, who would have been aware he was flying over a residential area rather than the ocean or other unpopulated area, Ditchey said.

At one point in the audio communications, the pilot tells ground control that 181 people, including crew members, are aboard the plane. According to Seat Guru, a site that tracks the layout of planes, that number would have meant the flight was about two-thirds full.

If that was the case, Ditchey said, it would suggest that a decrease in weight would not have been a major issue because the plane was not at maximum capacity.

The fuel dump has raised concerns about environmental safety in the flight path over Cudahy and other cities.

"Sadly, our entire community has been adversely impacted by this incident, including dozens of children. I am calling for a full federal investigation into the matter, and expect full accountability from responsible parties," Cudahy City Council Member Jack Guerrero said.