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Offline Fryy

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JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
« on: October 09, 2018, 02:49:11 PM »
Here's the initial emergency. I didn't edit anymore after the initial RTO/emergency response. I'm not sure if the frequency they were on is covered.



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Re: JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 02:55:27 PM »
Here's the initial emergency. I didn't edit anymore after the initial RTO/emergency response. I'm not sure if the frequency they were on is covered.

I was listening to this in real time as it happened. They were in configuration #3 at the time: landing runways 1L, 1R, and 26L, departing 1L and 1R.

Frequencies involved were Tower for 1/19, on 118.75, ground on 121.1, and then Ramp control on 127.9.

Incidentally, even after that, they were stopped on 1L/R departures because of a drone being operated in the departure corridor, and had to wait for police helicopters to patrol the area, warning the operators to shut it down or face a fine. That was covered on Helicopter control, on 123.82.

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Re: JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
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Re: JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2018, 04:08:59 PM »
Link: http://avherald.com/h?article=4bead3a0

[pet_peeve]

I wish sites like AVHerald and AeroInside (which definitely are more European-centric) would stop calling an aborted takeoff "rejected". It sounds like they are refusing takeoff clearance, when in fact they accepted takeoff clearance and had to abort it due to a particular issue. I mean, you don't reject something you've already started, no? You stop it, or abort it.

I know it has to do with different meanings in English, but there is a big difference here between abort and reject..

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Re: JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
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Re: JBU178 Engine Fire KLAS
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2018, 07:06:39 PM »
I think it's about aviation phraseology. The term "rejected takeoff" exists in aviation (RTO) and is standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejected_takeoff

If you're not a big fan of Wiki...

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Rejected_Take_Off
http://flightcrewguide.com/wiki/performance/rejected-take/
http://www.flaps2approach.com/journal/2015/2/1/rejected-takeoff-rto-review-and-procedures.html

The problem we have here is that in the 7110.65, and I want to also say that the AIS in the UK, proper phraseology used, as far as ATC is concerned "cancel takeoff clearance". This became paramount especially after Tenerife. The AIM here in the US refers to it as an aborted takeoff, which is also how it is defined in the Pilot/Controller Glossary. It doesn't mention rejected.

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/7110.65X_ATC_w_chg_1_and_chg_2.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/media/AIM_Basic_dtd_10-12-17.pdf

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