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Air Traffic Monitoring => Aviation Audio Clips => Topic started by: rbrong on March 03, 2008, 08:36:10 PM
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Attached you'll find an audio file of IFR clearances from Reno (KRNO) on March 3, 2008. I've edited out everything but the IFR clearances so anyone working on an IFR certificate can practice copying down the info. The file is about 4 MB in size with about 15 minutes worth of audio.
Enjoy and happy copying!
RB
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Thanks for taking the time to do this, RB. I'm going to go ahead and sticky this thread as I suspect there are many instrument students out there that would like to easily access this file.
Thanks!
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You're welcome, Jason -
It was pretty easy to do. I used GoldWave as my audio editor for this and just cut the segments I wanted to keep and pasted them in to a new sound file. To go through a whole day worth of stuff took about an hour.
I'll do it again from time to time, too.
Cheers -
Richard
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Here's a good :evil: one that came from the same Kennedy ground audio file as the final Concorde clearance.
Let's see how many of you copy it right the first time. Be honest!
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eh, as long as you know the identifiers its easy...im sure air jamaica flies those routes often, its easy for them.
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...as long as you know the identifiers its easy...
Totally agree with that! That's why we should study them ahead of time. Part of that "being familiar with all resources" business.
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Here's a good :evil: one that came from the same Kennedy ground audio file as the final Concorde clearance.
Let's see how many of you copy it right the first time. Be honest!
Haha, that wasn't a clearance, that sounded like an audible before an NFL play. I was expecting a "hut hut" at the end of it.
The first part of it is actually a normal route out of JFK. WAVEY..EMJAY J174 ZIZZI..SBY J209 ORF is a normal alternate route down the east coast.
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How do I get the file? Thanks and God bless.
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How do I get the file? Thanks and God bless.
Hello, Father. Presumably you are referring to the audio clip containing several IFR clearances? If so, do you see the file link in the first post at the top here (I have screen-grabbed a portion of that post to which I am referring and annotated it here):
(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2549/scrn0047pq1.jpg)
That attachment is the MP3 audio clip file. If you place your mouse over the clip link and right click, a menu will appear. Choose "Save Link As" (if your browser is Firefox), "Save Target As" (if your browser is Internet Explorer), and choose a location on your computer (if you use another browser then someone else will have to comment - I don't know the command in those).
The file will then download to your computer so you can listen to it several times by double-clicking on it (which launches the media player registered to play MP3 files.
Oh, and you have to be logged into this forum with your user ID to see the audio clips.
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Here's a good :evil: one that came from the same Kennedy ground audio file as the final Concorde clearance.
Let's see how many of you copy it right the first time. Be honest!
Wow, that was a tough one. But isn't the pilots suppose have an idea of their route of flight?
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Heres another great one. :lol:
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There are some complex clearances there. I am glad I dont have to issue clearances like that at work everyday, it would surely make it harder to have CD/FD/GC combined!
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that slow clearance has been around for a bit in the forum, not sure where its sitting now but there were a fair few replys with what people thought, as in was the controller being a smarty pants by holding up the airways for so long, or was he just making sure the pilots got it right the second time. either way i think it was 50/50 with the responses :-)
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Full enroute clearence here, try copying this one! :P
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Mega, mega thanks! This is really awesome practice for the IFR pilots and IFR pilots in training! Please, keep 'em coming!
Pete
WWW.Glass-Cockpit.org
http://www.glass-cockpit.org/blog/
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Fella's, much obliged - this stuff is great review for an old hand that hasn't filed IFR in years but tryin to get back at it without looking too much like a fool. These kind of forums are what makes the net such a useful tool. Thanks again - Snappy
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Thanks for this. I like to listen for practice also.
Something I just thought of tonight was maybe copying one of these clearances and then setting up the flight sim on my computer to execute it at least until the 1st fix (assuming I have the charts, of course).
Has anyone tried this?
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Something I just thought of tonight was maybe copying one of these clearances and then setting up the flight sim on my computer to execute it at least until the 1st fix (assuming I have the charts, of course).
Yes, I used to do this when I was an instrument student. It definitely helped.
If you are not aware, you can browse online all current US IFR charts (both low and high en route) as well as sectional and terminal charts here: http://skyvector.com
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This is a great use of the flight sim. I use Microsoft FSX myself and can't speak for the other sims but you can accurately fly approaches, departures, enroute segments, and just about anything IFR you can think of. All the IFR plates are available online. You can get them from the source at this link. http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp. You can also download them from sources like AOPA. As for the enroute charts you can usually find an old one that will work fine for practice at your local FBO or from an Instrument rated pilot. Enjoy!
- RB
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Thanks for the links!! Certainly a big help.
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I like to come home after an IFR lesson and go practice what we did on the sim to (hopefully) correct errors I have made in the process. It's also good to go toss in an unfamiliar approach just to test your skills. Even though it isn't perfect, the G1000 in FSX is a pretty good approximation of the real thing if you fly IFR in glass.
Good luck!
RB
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I like to come home after an IFR lesson and go practice what we did on the sim to (hopefully) correct errors I have made in the process. It's also good to go toss in an unfamiliar approach just to test your skills. Even though it isn't perfect, the G1000 in FSX is a pretty good approximation of the real thing if you fly IFR in glass.
Good luck!
RB
Yeah, I had been just fixing the mistakes I made in the lesson. I don't know why it took me so long to think of practicing unfamiliar clearances in this way. I did start IFR training with the G1000, but finances makes me stick to the older panel.
BTW, listening to the feeds I download here on the site helps me get through my otherwise dull but necessary office cubicle job. Thank sooooo much.
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I'm with you on that one! Some people listen to music, we listen to ATC. Go figure!
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Thanks for this. I like to listen for practice also.
Something I just thought of tonight was maybe copying one of these clearances and then setting up the flight sim on my computer to execute it at least until the 1st fix (assuming I have the charts, of course).
Has anyone tried this?
You could do that. You could also take it to another level entirely and check out VATSIM. It's an online network that allows pilots to interact with virtual ATC (real people, though) in a fairly realistic environment. It's one thing to listen to recorded clearances...it's another thing to read them back over the radio! :)
That network allows you to file, pick up your clearance, fly the route, and interact with ATC the whole time....for free. I used it during my VFR and IFR training, it was invaluable. My radio comms are unquestionably better as a result of being involved with the network. Many of the ppl on this forum are familiar with it (as pilots and/or controllers), too.
There's also something to be said for flying practice approaches online with ATC, rather than offline on the sim. Try flying into a non-towered field under IMC with a buddy in another plane. One of you is going to get a hold until the other person is down and/or cancels their flight plan. Being given a hold that you weren't expecting is very helpful, and not something you can surprise yourself with while flying offline.
I could go on for hours, but anyone who is pursuing an IFR rating should consider it. You can't beat the price.
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Sometimes ATC IS music for me :lol: People sometimes walk by and ask me what I'm listening to. Then they usually just say "Oh.", give a puzzled look and walk away. I fully own my aviation geekiness.
VATSIM...wow, thanks Keith. I have honestly never heard of it before. I just signed up.
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thank You Sir for your kind help we really appreciate your help.
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yes sir copied as it was
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Hi rbrong,
Look, I'm a french pilot trying to train myself for a french exam aof english, and I was happy to find this kind of recording.
But I miss a lot of information such as Airport names, Navaids names, so do you know if there's anyplace where I could find any transcript of these audio files ?
However, thanks again to post this kind of file !
That's help me a lot,
Cheers,
Bertrand
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Hello Bertrand,
As far as I know there isn't a transcript of the audio files. However, I invite you to do what another LiveATC user from Brazil has been doing. He sends me an audio file with questions on specific parts of the recording and I'll write back with what I hear.
Understanding all the airport names, navaids, and fixes when you haven't already studied the flight ahead of time can be confusing. I'd recommend looking online for charts and plates for the areas mentioned in the clearance recordings. You can find the FAA information at: http://www.avn.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp All of my recordings are clearances from Reno, Nevada, (KRNO) so that might be a good place to start. As far as I know this resource is just for US airspace, though. I'm not sure if there is an online equivalent for other areas around the globe.
The SkyVector website (http://skyvector.com/) is also a good resource to see IFR Enroute charts online. This might be a good resource for you, too. Once again, though, it covers the US and not other parts of the globe.
I hope this is helpful. Feel free to send me an email through the LiveATC site if you have specific questions on an audio file and I'll do what I can to help out.
Cheers -
Richard
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Hi Richard,
Well, first thank you for you reply !
Then, at the moment, I'm trying to transcript the audio files by myself.
May be I will send to you what I wrote down with empty spaces for the words I was unable to understand.
I will also have a look to the websites links you gave me.
Thanks for that,
Bertrand
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Bertrand,
Great idea. Transcribing the clearances is good practice in my opinion. Feel free to email at any time.
Richard
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hi all
even the pros need IFR clearance practice. this is funny!http://media.libsyn.com/media/tftfd/tftfd_podcast_11.75.mp3
Pilot Bill
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Attached you'll find an audio file of IFR clearances from Reno (KRNO) on March 3, 2008. I've edited out everything but the IFR clearances so anyone working on an IFR certificate can practice copying down the info. The file is about 4 MB in size with about 15 minutes worth of audio.
Enjoy and happy copying!
RB
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Attached you'll find an audio file of IFR clearances from Reno (KRNO) on March 3, 2008. I've edited out everything but the IFR clearances so anyone working on an IFR certificate can practice copying down the info. The file is about 4 MB in size with about 15 minutes worth of audio.
Enjoy and happy copying!
RB
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NICCCCCCCCCCCE!!!!!
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It's a great job and thanks....
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Many thanks for posting this. :-)
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First of all, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it. I noticed that the download is an mp3 file. Yet, I am not planning on running it off of an mp3 player - but rather my lap top. What need I do in such a situation?
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I am not a computer expert. On my laptop it happens automaticaly. Just click or double click as the case may be and the file should open up and run.
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Most computers come with software to play mp3s, itunes on mac, windows media player on pc. If not both of those are free to download (itunes is available for windows too). Wlso there's winamp for windows which is also free.
www.apple.com/itunes
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-media-center/get-started/default.aspx
www.winamp.com
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Thanks for a great post, RB. It really helpful.
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Practical to have around. Good editing.
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I'm just starting IR training. I googled "practice writing down clearances" and this thread came up. I registered and downloaded the file. Thank you so much for your work on this. I can't wait to get started!
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This full route clearance I had to give was so crazy I made a copy of the strips!
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I usually use Itunes to listen to the audio files from this site but you can also use realplayer as well.
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Nice, but I am surprised that they still deliver clearances this way. How barbaric! I guess that i figured that this went the way of A-N beacons and morse code....
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Thanks for you do this
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Hallo together.
I am Burky from good 'ole Germany holding a FAA PPL and I am studying for my IFR rating. These audio files really help me a lot to practice the radio. Thanks a lot.
BR Burky
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This is great guys, just what I needed.
Yesterday I tried to read back my first IFR clearance around LAX airspace and the controller responded "I don't even know where to start" :( He was very nice, asked if there was an instructor on board to verify the clearance and asked if I wanted to try again for practice.
Practice, practice, practice.
Thank you so much!
Mark