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Offline beechsundowner

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Startup to Shutdown
« on: January 31, 2009, 09:54:47 PM »
Attached audio clip was my Friday flight to KMBO NE practice area. 

Thought some may find it interesting to hear what happens from a "pilots' point of view by me vocalizing checklists and what I am thinking or reading including how I prompt myself when the camera on for syncing up with the video..

The flight was 1 hour but I compressed the audio clip down down to 17 minute clip by removing all blank spaces. 

Clip includes startup, runup, take off, contact with approach, while in NE practice, somebody practicing an ASR approach, me returning back to the airport, uncontrolled airport communications, before landing checklist to shut down.

My initial contact with KJAN approach is at 4:10 and 14:05 is where I "squawk VFR"

My tail number is 1943 Lima

In-flight video can be seen at   The video includes takeoff, slow flight and slips to landing.



Offline rightseat

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 04:03:48 AM »
How did you capture the audio?

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 12:23:15 PM »

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 03:33:15 PM »
be-careful

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/382219_horizon08.html

Very interesting....  I know for VFR flights, one is safe to video on part 91 ops, but reading this article not really that sure for IFR?

Not surprised for the video to not comply with airline regs.

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 03:35:15 PM »
How did you capture the audio?

I use a digital recorder and a patch cord from the airplane intercom system to the recorder since my camera does not have a mic input plug. 

If you are interested, I can pm you the website where I ordered the cable. 

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 05:07:49 PM »
be-careful

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/382219_horizon08.html

I'm all for telling people to be careful but according to your article:

"With the exception of filming for training, it is against federal regulations for pilots or passengers to use such devices during takeoffs and landings, as they could interfere with instrument and landing system navigation radios"

Could this be a training video?  I do enjoy sundowners videos and have learned some stuff.  I would hate to see him stop. 

-Jalto

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 05:16:09 PM »

Could this be a training video?  I do enjoy sundowners videos and have learned some stuff.  I would hate to see him stop. 

-Jalto

Subsequent to my post, I did some research and for my kind of flying, I am complying with FARS.   :-D

See http://www.liveatc.net/forums/pilotcontroller-forum/to-pilots-filming-in-the-cockpit-the-faa-is-going-after-you/msg32810/#msg32810 where I posted the exact FAR reference.

The article was posted in two different threads by iskyfly

Creating a video for today's flight.  Doesn't get better then today requesting and getting approved a block altitude.  One of the very, very few in the Jackson MS area that got to see the sun today. 

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 12:24:25 PM »
be-careful

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/382219_horizon08.html

I'm all for telling people to be careful but according to your article:

"With the exception of filming for training, it is against federal regulations for pilots or passengers to use such devices during takeoffs and landings, as they could interfere with instrument and landing system navigation radios"

Could this be a training video?  I do enjoy sundowners videos and have learned some stuff.  I would hate to see him stop. 

-Jalto

it isnt my article...
i am just the messenger. trying to help people avoid getting busted.

sundowner has published a lot of personal information that will make it easy for the FAA / FSDO to investigate, and they are investigating. maybe not him, not now. but to me, this is a risk i wouldnt take.

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 12:31:00 PM »
sundowner has published a lot of personal information that will make it easy for the FAA / FSDO to investigate, and they are investigating. maybe not him, not now. but to me, this is a risk i wouldnt take.

What risk is there? 

I provided the part 91 reference in the other thread that clearly states I can video my flights, approaches and landings as long as I am PIC and determine the camera will not interfere with my nav and comms?

The article you provided pertained to commercial operations.

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2009, 12:39:17 PM »
sundowner has published a lot of personal information that will make it easy for the FAA / FSDO to investigate, and they are investigating. maybe not him, not now. but to me, this is a risk i wouldnt take.

What risk is there? 

I provided the part 91 reference in the other thread that clearly states I can video my flights, approaches and landings as long as I am PIC and determine the camera will not interfere with my nav and comms?

The article you provided pertained to commercial operations.
the risk of being busted.
the article isnt exclusive to commercial ops. it just used one as an example.

anyway, it is your choice.
good luck.

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2009, 12:44:12 PM »

the risk of being busted.
the article isnt exclusive to commercial ops. it just used one as an example.

What am I busting per FARS reference I am providing?  I am all for learning if I am misinterpreting the reference.
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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 01:20:16 PM »
What am I busting per FARS reference I am providing?  I am all for learning if I am misinterpreting the reference.

Sundowner, don't take what you read here as gospel.  Instead, call your local FSDO this Monday morning and ask them what their official opinion is about videos of part 91 cockpit activity.  They will have an answer that is worth more than what is being posted here. 

I called my FSDO when I wanted to volunteer a scenic flight to a local opera's fund-raising event.   They were quick to give me the approval so away I went.

Personally I'm with you on the FARs interpretation and do not see any restriction for video taping inside part 91 cockpits.  That article posted previously discusses only part 121 operation, which as you know is a much more restrictive part.


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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2009, 01:30:12 PM »

I called my FSDO when I wanted to volunteer a scenic flight to a local opera's fund-raising event.   They were quick to give me the approval so away I went.

Personally I'm with you on the FARs interpretation and do not see any restriction for video taping inside part 91 cockpits.  That article posted previously discusses only part 121 operation, which as you know is a much more restrictive part.


I'm with you on calling on anything that has to do with "charitable" and PPL.  Way too many grey zones in that area.  When in any doubt, I just don't do it.  :-D

With regards to the article, not only part 121 is more restrictive as you say above, but a real good chance the airline's own rules and regs may even make it more restrictive then FARS when it comes to portable electronics.

I will say this particular reference is unusually "clear" the way I read it.  Interesting enough, on my instrument checkride, the DE asked me what would I do if I went NORDO and had a cell phone.  I was clueless, bue he said it's perfectly legal to use a cell pone in the event the PIC determines it's needed for the safe outcome of a flight. 

This only is the FAA stance, not the FCC stance of course!

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2009, 01:39:33 PM »

Sundowner, don't take what you read here as gospel.  Instead, call your local FSDO this Monday morning and ask them what their official opinion is about videos of part 91 cockpit activity.  They will have an answer that is worth more than what is being posted here. 
"official opinion" that is kind of an oxymoron.
get it in writing.

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Re: Startup to Shutdown
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2009, 02:17:18 PM »

get it in writing.


It already is in writing.  http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-21-FAR.shtml

I again ask of you, what FAR am I at risk of busting?  You said I am at risk of getting busted earlier in this thread.

For this particular thread, the voice recorder is excluded (#1) per above FAR
For my other threads where I posted videos with ATC comms, the camera falls under #5 per above FAR

Is there another FAR that I should be aware of as the above supports my position based on what I understand?