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Title: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: Squawk 7700 on July 21, 2007, 08:11:37 PM
United 52 on economy descent to save on gas, American 28 catching up. San Francisco arrival over the Pacific.
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: KMSY on July 21, 2007, 08:23:19 PM
save on gas

Good idea...

I took United 52 on my way back from Hawaii. Great flight.

I got to fly a 777 from SFO-DEN after that, it was a full flight, and I had the absolute middle seat. This is not an experience I recommend.
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: cessna157 on July 21, 2007, 08:28:15 PM
This descent is nothing special.  We do a similiar type of descent, just using the opposite philosophy.  Stay up high then follow with an idle descent to keep speed up, rather than a shallow idle descent with slow speed.  With gas prices the way they are, airlines have to do what they can
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: The Hoffspatcher on July 22, 2007, 09:00:11 AM
Give that man a promotion, he's read his flight manual!

A 250kt VNAV SPD DES makes the whole situation go better.  Also helps the 250 @ 10 restriction and a constant descent rate is much easier because it makes more efficent use of the avaliable air miles so .... no busting of altitude constraints.

As Fonzie would say, aaaaay!

Yes, I know, that was odd, I mean, when's the last time you heard anybody mention the Fonz?  :roll:
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: Pearson on July 23, 2007, 01:22:19 PM
Give that man a promotion, he's read his flight manual!
Actually, he just read his dispatch..they fly the descent speeds assigned to them by their company.
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: The Hoffspatcher on July 24, 2007, 07:49:49 AM
We don't put them on the dispatch release.  Operating guidance comes from the flight manuals.

The ICAO format flight plan includes the mach number or TAS only.
Title: Re: Economy descent to save gas
Post by: aviator_06 on July 31, 2007, 10:06:02 PM
Nice Clip!