British Airways "Speedbird 287 Heavy" Second Go-Around for the evening.

[Casper87]

Think European heavy operators into the USA frequently have problems with the tight vectoring and speed controls at some airports.

Not Speedbird 747s though. Most of them would be out of Heathrow. And Heathrow involves some serious vectoring when its busy...2.5nm spacing which requires strict speed control. I cant comment on other European airlines but i dont think a BA aircraft would have any issues with tight vectoring.

[Casper87]

quote: "Not required, and would take too much time holding every pilot's hand, especially during a busy time.  If the transmission is blocked, then it is the pilot's responsibility to request a repeat of the instruction."

mmm....If the controllers gives an instruction and its not read-back then how does the ATCO know the pilots heard it? The pilots are busy with alot of other stuff...Aviate Navigate Communicate.  It is the controllers responsiblilty to ensure that his/her instructions are complied with.

If the transmission was blocked how is it the pilots responsibility to get a repeat?? If the transmission was blocked then the pilots wouldnt have heard it...so how can they ask for a repeat of something they didnt even know was transmitted? Pilots aint psychic

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[philip]

Wow! after a 13 hours flight he sure is polite...

[philip]

Also...He said he had the controller give him a missed approach before because of the speeds but it wasnt it was because of the wind...am i missing something?

[nrathburn]

Great find! I'll actually be on that flight in April...hope that doesn't happen!!!

[englishpilot]

It seems that in the second recording @ 7:12 the crew of 287 missed the speed restriction of 160 knots issued by ATC because it was stepped on. I think had the crew slowed down as requested they would not have had to go around the second time. To me the controller isnt at fault here. He knew 287 was faster and asked them to slow down...

Well Speedbird didn't readback the instructions correctly so in actual fact it was the controller's fault for not correcting him or at least verifying that he understood or received the speed restriction.

[kinshasaAPP]

It seems that in the second recording @ 7:12 the crew of 287 missed the speed restriction of 160 knots issued by ATC because it was stepped on. I think had the crew slowed down as requested they would not have had to go around the second time. To me the controller isnt at fault here. He knew 287 was faster and asked them to slow down...

Well Speedbird didn't readback the instructions correctly so in actual fact it was the controller's fault for not correcting him or at least verifying that he understood or received the speed restriction.

Favoritism! I joke... 

[englishpilot]

It seems that in the second recording @ 7:12 the crew of 287 missed the speed restriction of 160 knots issued by ATC because it was stepped on. I think had the crew slowed down as requested they would not have had to go around the second time. To me the controller isnt at fault here. He knew 287 was faster and asked them to slow down...

Well Speedbird didn't readback the instructions correctly so in actual fact it was the controller's fault for not correcting him or at least verifying that he understood or received the speed restriction.

Favoritism! I joke... 

I don't know what you're talking about.

[alreet-bald]

I don't blame the Speedbird pilot for being mildly pissed off. The controllers job is to manage traffic flow with efficiency while keeping it safe. Surely he should of kept in mind Speedbird was a heavy and needed more room then an A320 for example.