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Offline mk223

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Boston Airliner Collision
« on: July 14, 2011, 09:57:35 PM »
A Delta 767 Clips the tail of a regional Delta CRJ.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1351863&format=comments#CommentsArea

Delta 266 and Acey4904

The first clip is the tower feed with the incident occuring

The second is the ground handling the movement.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 10:46:55 PM by mk223 »



Offline MikeNYC

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Re: Boston Runway Incursion
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 10:39:04 PM »
mk223, are you positive it was a runway incursion? Information I've read shows it took place on a taxiway (near 4L at the approach end, possibly on B at the J intersection. Actually listed as a hotspot on the taxiway diagram (HS 1). http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1107/00058AD.PDF

If you're not positive it's a runway incursion, could you retitle the thread? Calling it an incursion gives it a different meaning and the press looking for audio clips may get a false impression of what happened.

These photos show the CRJ clearly outside of the runway safety area, on the taxiway side of the hold short lines:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/07/14/plane4_620x350.jpg
http://media2.myfoxboston.com//photo/2011/07/14/logan_collision_still.FXTimg_tmb0003_20110714204538_320_240.JPG

I haven't found any photos with the 767 still in position, but I don't see how that was an incursion.
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Offline mk223

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Re: Boston Runway Incursion
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »
Fixed. I did rush to get that up. Dually noted on the points there as I have made some corrections.

mk223, are you positive it was a runway incursion? Information I've read shows it took place on a taxiway (near 4L at the approach end, possibly on B at the J intersection. Actually listed as a hotspot on the taxiway diagram (HS 1). http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1107/00058AD.PDF

If you're not positive it's a runway incursion, could you retitle the thread? Calling it an incursion gives it a different meaning and the press looking for audio clips may get a false impression of what happened.

These photos show the CRJ clearly outside of the runway safety area, on the taxiway side of the hold short lines:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/07/14/plane4_620x350.jpg
http://media2.myfoxboston.com//photo/2011/07/14/logan_collision_still.FXTimg_tmb0003_20110714204538_320_240.JPG

I haven't found any photos with the 767 still in position, but I don't see how that was an incursion.


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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 10:52:10 PM »
Thanks! A lot of media sources have reported this as a "runway collision"... but in their eyes, any time a plane is moving around on the airport surface, it's probably on a runway  :roll:
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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 12:06:47 AM »
Ouch - not a good week for Delta in terms of collisions! Great clips - I hope that CRJ will be able to fly again; the folks over at airliners.net seem to think it will be fixable.

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 10:34:15 AM »
Interesting to hear of an emergency arrival during all of this
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Offline mk223

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 11:55:02 AM »
Interesting to hear of an emergency arrival during all of this

Yeah, I couldnt figure out what flight that was, I went to the tower feed and couldnt make it out. Per another plane person, which I agree with is that they declared an emergency based on fuel levels as once they landed, they didnt need equipment. Not that it wasnt serious or anything, but it certainly did make for a full plate for the controllers.

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 12:58:38 PM »
What does the ACY pilot say at 29 seconds in..  Sounds like either, "Roger I can attest, I was dangling on your side."  Or "I was dangling on this side.."??

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 02:19:13 PM »
What does the ACY pilot say at 29 seconds in..  Sounds like either, "Roger I can attest, I was dangling on your side."  Or "I was dangling on this side.."??

I think its another pilot near by saying, "I can testify to that, its dangling on your side."

Offline aevins

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 02:34:17 PM »
Ouch - not a good week for Delta in terms of collisions! Great clips - I hope that CRJ will be able to fly again; the folks over at airliners.net seem to think it will be fixable.

You can say that again,

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**   Report created 7/15/2011   Record 7                                      **
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IDENTIFICATION
  Regis#: DAL115        Make/Model: A333      Description: AIRBUS333
  Date: 07/12/2011     Time: 1900

  Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: None     Mid Air: N    Missing: N
  Damage: Minor

LOCATION
  City: GREER   State: SC   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
  DELTA AIRLINES FLIGHT 115 AIRBUS 333 AIRCRAFT, WHILE TAXIING TO RAMP, WING
  STRUCK A POLE, NO INJURIES, DAMAGE MINOR, GREER, SC

INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   0
                 # Crew:   0     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:   
                 # Pass:   0     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:   
                 # Grnd:         Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:   

WEATHER: VFR

OTHER DATA
  Activity: Business      Phase: Take-off      Operation: Air Carrier


  FAA FSDO: COLUMBIA, SC  (SO13)                  Entry date: 07/14/2011


Offline VictorK

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 11:28:46 AM »
Was there nothing relevent archived before this clip begins? What clearances/taxi instructions were the two aircraft given prior to the collision? Anything in the archives to indicate why the RJ came to a stop where it did?

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 12:30:23 PM »
Here's the edited audio of all ground movements of both planes before the collision from both the ground and both tower frequencies. Everything is in chronological order although all non relevant transmissions and empty space has been edited out.

If you follow along on the airport diagram,
http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/BOS/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM/pdf
 I think the incident happened at Bravo and Mike. The 767 was going to takeoff from runway 4R whereas the CRJ was heading for runway 9.

EDIT: I forgot the very first DAL266 transmission. I've inserted it in now.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2011, 12:34:27 PM by derekjackson »

Offline VictorK

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2011, 08:25:49 PM »
Thanks for that.

Immediatly after my post above, I did listen to the archives and heard all of what you included there. I'd say you got everything relevent to the situation.

Lacking any information on the position of the #1 aircraft for Rwy 9, it still really doesn't give any insight into why the RJ was where it was...

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 09:40:56 PM »
I tend to get lost easily on the airport diagram, but is it possible that the CRJ in front had just turned north onto mike while the 767 was heading east on bravo - the CRJ turned but the 767 didn't allow enough spacing and the left wing hit the tail that way?

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2011, 12:12:56 AM »
after the fire engines responded, the tower said something about another aircraft with an emergency
on 10-mile final for landing on 4L....   later the aircraft required no emergency service.

what aircarft was it and what emergency did they have?

This was just minutes after the collision between Delta 266 and the Delta RJ.

TIA! :)

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Re: Boston Airliner Collision
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2011, 01:21:08 AM »
Not been conclusively identified from the recordings however this guy

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/kbos-approach-south-feed-hangup/

thinks it was the US Airways flight.