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Title: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: athaker on March 10, 2007, 03:58:54 AM
So this was a fun night at Kennedy, 3/1/07 around 2300Z.  Our favorite entertainer Arnie was manning the 13L and 22 arrivals while a second tower controller was handling arrivals and departures on 13R (hence the cut off radio traffic in this shortened clip). 

Right when things got busiest and the second controller advised 13R departures of a traffic jam, a waiting aircraft reports a popping sound and smoke after Delta 412 lands on 13R nearby.  The result? => "It's gonna be another one of those nights guys..."

I left some of Arnie in the beginning as introductory material to show you the busy-ness and also because...well, you'll see.

Oh, and at the very end of the clip, after the problem is resolved, somebody chimes in with a perfectly understandable question...see if u can catch it.

P.S.: my first audio post
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: phillipsjoef on March 10, 2007, 10:38:57 AM
Good Stuff.  Congratulations on your first audio post. 

It's nice to hear true professionals doing a great job and having some fun too.

Must admit I have some sympathy for international crews trying to understand the rapid-fire instructions from KJFK ATC.  I thought it was funny about the first controller's comments he didn't understand a particular pilot's transmission because I could hardly understand what the controller was saying.     

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Squawk 7700 on March 10, 2007, 10:49:11 AM
"Is this New York"? I caught that at the end. Great clip!
Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: timmy on March 10, 2007, 01:25:58 PM
Thanks, really like that one too, especially the end. Hilarious.
He could as well have asked "Arnie, are you ok?"
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: athaker on March 10, 2007, 09:30:55 PM
hey check out this picture I found.  NYC departure and arrival aircraft movement.  You can see that they were using the Canarsie approachs 13 L/R to JFK and from each airport you can see the different departures used in aircraft sequencing (the clearance issued climb) for entrail restrictions. 

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: blakman7 on March 11, 2007, 12:35:23 AM
I think that just like it has been done for the Boston Tower for John and Charlie, there should be a tribute to Arnie at JFK because he is just too much. Never fails to make me laugh.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: blakman7 on March 11, 2007, 12:42:26 AM
Does anyone have another recording of this clip? For some reason, it is not working for me. Thanks
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Studentpilo on March 11, 2007, 01:11:09 PM
Wow Great clip!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: seanh00700 on March 12, 2007, 10:04:34 AM
this is a really good clip!!!

and he is so calm about it !!

"It's gonna be another one of those nights guys..."
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: PHL Approach on March 13, 2007, 07:08:27 PM
Very good catch!!! This has got to be the clip of the year. All great examples of teamwork... Not to mention that Bravo clearance by Arnie was NUTS!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: athaker on March 14, 2007, 09:18:06 PM
yea that clearance at the beginning of the clip has gotta be one of my favorite moments from him.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Biff on March 15, 2007, 09:32:08 AM
This one should play for those of us who couldn't listen to the original:

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: LHP50 on March 15, 2007, 01:30:51 PM
I must say that I try to stick to prescribed phraseology and use a callsign to begin a transmission, but... that was hysterical.  He did a good job.
LH 
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Greg01 on March 15, 2007, 02:09:37 PM
Did anyone actually understand what he said.

I'm not from NYC (thought I'm from BUF), and i don't hear fast talking controllers often. However, if you really hunker down, even on the first time, you can understand everything! Amazing what listening does!  ;)

Greg
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Jason on March 15, 2007, 04:03:52 PM
Did anyone actually understand what he said.

I'm not from NYC (thought I'm from BUF), and i don't hear fast talking controllers often. However, if you really hunker down, even on the first time, you can understand everything! Amazing what listening does!  ;)

Greg

Ya gotta fly down here to experience it for yourself.  Try listening to Kennedy TCA on a busy day, it's absolutely incredible to listen to.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: Greg01 on March 15, 2007, 04:58:43 PM
I have heard Kennedy on a busy day. You need to be on the ball!

Fun times,
Greg
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: wrighty1976 on March 16, 2007, 11:46:34 AM
Wow. I am totally new to this game and i have listened to a couple of these transmissions and some live stuff..... How quickly does this guy talk? Does he come up for breath??
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: athaker on March 18, 2007, 03:50:13 PM
does anyone else think that Arnie's partner in the tower sounds like Alan Alda?
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: The Hoffspatcher on March 19, 2007, 07:15:14 AM
Mmmmm, naw, his voice is slightly deeper, I watched 11 seasons of M*A*S*H and he sounds a bit different.

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: flyingpucks on March 19, 2007, 04:58:51 PM
First post....great site!

If I didn't know Howard Stern was busy with his XM radio gig, I could swear it was him.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: alphaecho on March 20, 2007, 06:25:08 PM
I was hoping the clip would be longer because I was hoping the controller took the opportunity to tell the Quebec line, "Gentlemen, start your engines!"  LOL     after his little 'jack it up, get 4 fresh tires and a coat for the driver in 14 sec" comment :-D
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: athaker on March 20, 2007, 10:29:50 PM
haha trust me...if he had said that, it would have been included.  They kind of all figured out when they should startup and the controller changed shortly after the runway opened up again so no go with the start your engines.

Imagine standing near Quebec if they were all to simultaneously turn on their engines, though...can only dream
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: wrighty1976 on May 13, 2007, 12:43:14 PM
"I did not understand a word you said there, sir"

Nice one Arnie!

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: Greg01 on May 13, 2007, 05:49:32 PM
To an unsuspecting pilot...the same could be said to him at the beginning of the clip.

Greg
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: athaker on September 01, 2007, 12:28:10 AM
The controller who gives that chopper the amazingly fast bravo clearance...anybody know when and what position he's working these days? 

I hear him on clearance once in a while but I never enjoyed JFK ground and tower as when he worked it all the time.

someones gotta know
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: NJGUY on September 18, 2007, 06:32:11 PM
Is there  a Kennedy TCA feed here?
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: moto400ex on September 18, 2007, 08:44:24 PM
That was really hard to understand.  It sounds like he was squeezing out ever last word while running out of breath.  But thne again those helicopters operate in and out of the kennedy Class B airspace on a regular basis so they know what they are listening for as they have heard it alot before.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: kaktak1 on September 26, 2007, 09:47:55 PM
hey guys,

Having some trouble listening to this clip on my ipod.  I click it, and it goes to the next song.  Do I need to change something in the type of file?  Could someone else try it so I know i'm not the only one having this problem.

thanks
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: kaktak1 on November 28, 2007, 05:38:04 PM
does anyone have or can make the mp3 version of this?
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: dorishd on November 29, 2007, 04:21:58 PM
does anyone have or can make the mp3 version of this?


12th post is an mp3 version (reply # 11)
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: kaktak1 on November 29, 2007, 09:15:29 PM
thx
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: dorishd on November 30, 2007, 01:37:15 PM
athaker - that picture of the NY airspace you posted, what kind of time elapse would that represent.  2 - 3 hours?
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: athaker on November 30, 2007, 06:06:22 PM
athaker - that picture of the NY airspace you posted, what kind of time elapse would that represent.  2 - 3 hours?


That's a good question.  The Port Authority Website didn't have any further information, as this picture was probably meant to freak out politicians about crowded airspace more than anything.

From the number of departures off the 13's at JFK (blue lines), I'd estimate about 40ish, which, if I'm not mistaken, and checking out flightaware, is somewhere near the max departures per hour at busy times.  But then there's the ridiculous number of arrivals at Newark so yea, if I had to guess, 1-2 hours or somewhere in there for that picture.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: dorishd on December 01, 2007, 04:37:30 PM
Yea, I counted the JFK departures like you did.  Newark arrival is ridiculous. thanks for the reply  :-)
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: aviator_06 on December 09, 2007, 06:44:31 PM
I love this controller. Great clip.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: busy on December 09, 2007, 10:39:56 PM
Hello, everyone!

Was listening hundreds of times to this part but still can't make it out. Can someone help, please? It happened at 7.10
- Tower - 99
- 99-Tower
- Ok all units in _arm??____ are clear of the RW in Mike. All debris's been picked up and RW 13  Right__???___ this time
- Ok, thanks, 99. Good job

Thank you in advance
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: kaktak1 on December 10, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
Ok all units and I'm  clear of the RW in Mike. All debris's been picked up and RW 13  Right(sounds like resobs)resumes this time

The thick brooklyn accent makes it hard to comprehend.  Notice when he first calls up the tower he says "I'm at pauper delter"

But you really go me thinking because i've listened to it a hundred times as well and didn't really notice it

Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: busy on December 10, 2007, 07:51:37 PM
To Kaktak1

Thank you very much. With the speed and accent they are speaking I would never make it out without your help. Thanks a lot! I just wonder how they (and you!!) manage to understand each other in view of all distortations and back noise! Just awesome!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: athaker on December 10, 2007, 10:38:47 PM
I wouldn't stress too much about what he says, because if I remember correctly, some of his traffic might have been covered by the other tower frequency, since both are streamed on the same scanner.

"Roger I thawt I heard somethin awlso from my awffice"
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: BeachComer on February 11, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
Hello, everyone!

Was listening hundreds of times to this part but still can't make it out. Can someone help, please? It happened at 7.10
- Tower - 99
- 99-Tower
- Ok all units in _arm??____ are clear of the RW in Mike. All debris's been picked up and RW 13  Right__???___ this time
- Ok, thanks, 99. Good job

Thank you in advance

Way that sounds to me is, "Ok all units in, um, clear of the RW in Mike. All debris's been picked up and RW 13  Right RESOPS as of this time."

I presume RESOPS would mean "resume ops" with a long "e" (REESOPS).

All guesswork...

--The BeachComer
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: jaredbelch on February 13, 2008, 01:49:22 PM
does anyone else think that Arnie's partner in the tower sounds like Alan Alda?

Thats exactly what I was thinking when I listened to it.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: N9IIT on June 23, 2009, 11:25:36 PM
"Boogity Boogity Boogity"  :-D
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: cessna157 on June 24, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
"Boogity Boogity Boogity"  :-D

Wow, that was a heck of a bump
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: ect76 on June 25, 2009, 03:30:41 PM
Definitely a monumental bump, but a good one - Hadn't heard this clip in ages, had forgotten all about it and enjoyed hearing it again.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: keith on June 29, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
That's gotta be one of the best clips of all time.  It's awesome to see the controller having some fun during a time when planes (presumably) weren't able to get in or out.

I love the efficiency of the comms....it doesn't sound like it could've been handled any better, by either the pilots or the controllers.
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: wlewis06 on July 09, 2009, 05:15:11 PM
That's gotta be one of the best clips of all time.  It's awesome to see the controller having some fun during a time when planes (presumably) weren't able to get in or out.

I love the efficiency of the comms....it doesn't sound like it could've been handled any better, by either the pilots or the controllers.

Great catch by the Shamrock pilot and well handled by the controller and airport crew.  I like the remark about having the Delta flight's mechanic jack him up, replace all four tires, refuel, and have a Coke for the driver - all in 14 seconds.

Talk about busy though...aircraft lined up on taxiways with engines shut down.  Another day in paradise...

Thanks for posting the clip!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour, plus ARNIE
Post by: B777ER on July 11, 2009, 03:35:36 AM
does anyone else think that Arnie's partner in the tower sounds like Alan Alda?

Yes he does. I saw a news clip a while back that had recent video of the tower JFK cab and there was a tall guy with white hair about shoulder length that sounded just like this guy working opposite Arnie. If it is the same one, he even looks like Alan Alda!
Title: Re: Blown Tire at KJFK during evening rush hour
Post by: kicket on January 11, 2010, 11:21:39 PM
sounds like the same guy that had the bad day at ground day